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shootingstar
04-17-2009, 07:56 PM
Article on the use frequency and how the word "like" is used by those under 40 vs. over approx. 40.

The linguistic divide
Article Comments (44) MARINA JIMÉNEZ

From Friday's Globe and Mail

April 17, 2009 at 9:04 AM EDT

A Botox treatment can mask your age - but the way you speak gives you away.

A University of Toronto sociolinguistics professor has discovered that those under 40 are much more likely to use the word "like" when narrating a story, than those over 40. As in "I'm like, 'What are you talking about?' " instead of "I said, 'What are you talking about?' "

This linguistic difference is a key demographic marker, says Sali Tagliamonte, who has published a paper exploring the use of "be like" in the scholarly journal Language Variation and Change.

"The use of 'like' is a watershed. It captures a change in how people narrate their stories," she says. "We think it came from California in the 1980s and it gained prestige as a trendy and socially desirable way to voice a speaker's inner experience."

She and her research team painstakingly analyzed more than 300 hours of recorded conversation with 200 volunteers and identified subtle differences in speech pattern and storytelling.

"The new trends reflect the evolution of Canadian society," Prof. Tagliamonte said.

The volunteers all grew up and live in Toronto, one of the world's most multicultural cities, and varied in age from under 17 to 80.

The study found that the rate of use of "be like" was, for example, 65 per cent for 17- to 19-year-olds, 29 per cent for 30- to 34-year-olds, 18 per cent for 35- to 49-year-olds, and 0 per cent for 80-year-olds. "People are really identifiable by the way they speak," she concluded.

Older people often criticize the use of "like," which peaks at about the age of 30. But it doesn't reflect stupidity or poor grammar - it is merely a recent linguistic trend. In fact, Prof. Tagliamonte says, it's not really so new any more, and has reached a saturation point in common conversation. In formal linguistic parlance, the use of "like" is called a "quotative" - a storytelling device used to indicate who said what.

There are several other conversational markers that divide the generations. For example, the under-40 set also tends to use the word "stuff," as in "I have the stuff in my bag," and "right" as a sentence ender, for example, "It's a girl, right."

Also popular is the use of "so" as an intensifier ("it's so cold outside"), and the use of have as a "deontic modal," as in "I have to go." Prof. Tagliamonte has identified these trends as she records the particular characteristics of "Canadian" English. Canadians are known to follow both American- and British-style English, she says, and are best known for lexicon such as eh, tuque, two-four (beer), washroom and mickey (small bottle of liquor).

But the professor has found other, more subtle trends, including the development of the tense system and the use of qualifiers. The under-40 set in Toronto is more likely to say "I'm going to the store" instead of "I'll go to the store," she notes. As well, Canadians say "I have to go to the doctor," whereas those born in Britain say "I've got to go to the doctor." There is not a lot of social class differentiation in Canada by speech, she adds, unlike in Britain.

"This research matters because we can look at who the agents of change in language are, and what direction the language is going in," she says. As Canada's demographics shift, so too does its language. Some words or expressions will be lost forever. "No one says doth, shall, shan't or sayeth any more," she says. "Some people mourned this loss."

Prof. Tagliamonte's childhood inspired her to study sociolinguistics. She is Italian on her father's side, but it was the speech patterns of her maternal relatives in rural Southern Ontario that intrigued her. "The accents my aunts and uncles had were mind-boggling to me," she recalls. "They sounded alien. They would say things like 'I come up from the garden and I seen a skunk.' They used very old features."

These days, she eavesdrops on her four children, aged 5 to 17, hoping to discover the latest teen bon mot. Her current research project - to be published this fall - involves studying how gays and lesbians act as agents of linguistic change.

It's so, like, interesting.

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Newspeak

Here are words that under-40s use more than over-40s:

"Like" as an approximating adverb (e.g. It's like three blocks down the street.)

"Stuff" as a generic (e.g. I have the stuff in my bag.)

"Stuff" in extensions (e.g. The place has rivers and valleys and stuff like that.)

"Right" as a sentence ender (e.g. It's a girl, right.)

"Have" as a deontic modal (e.g. I have to go.)

"So" as an intensifier (e.g. It's so cold outside.)

Marina Jiménez

(And I agree with the article that Toronto is far more linguistically diverse in higher numbers and in breadth compared to ie. Vancouver, B.C. They chose the right Canadian city to do this random sample study.)

It occurred to me that I seldom use "It sucks". It just doesn't come naturally to me nor do I really want to integrate it into my vocab. regularily. I might forget myself ..and I'll end up blurting it out in the wrong social group situation. ie. in a workplace situation. I don't need to prove myself to be "hip". It's enough to walk into a workplace after getting off a bike, in cycling gear, in terms of "cool" factor.

smilingcat
04-17-2009, 08:13 PM
like, so its an age discriminator, right?? right?

:D :D :D for real.

smurfalicious
04-17-2009, 08:21 PM
Oh bless you for this story. I am such a language/grammar geek this just rocked my socks. I shared it with my journalist buddy, he loves it too!

shootingstar
04-17-2009, 08:23 PM
like, so its an age discriminator, right?? right?

:D :D :D for real.


More like which "style" I wanna adopt. I have shocked a few other workers who have seen me in suppressed anger/frustration and emit the: Oh damn! or Oh sh*t. And if one is a manager, it doesn't always sit well with others. People do acknowledge the reality of seeing others angry at work, but with controlled poise..at all times, especially in situations that generate anger, frustration or disgust. The higher up the organizational chain, the more others below expect one to exercise self-control. A senior manager in the construction engineering firm, said: "F*ck several times in his sentence loudly..and shocked /disgusted few others. Respect for him was lowered a tad.

I took an intensive course on presentation skills to improve my group instructional skills. I used the word "like" as a joiner to get me over to the 2nd sentence I was thinking in my head. Not good at all. It's incredibly annoying in a workplace to hear a group presenter use "like" too many times, for an hour in their presentation. In another workplace, I listened to another manager present for 40 min. Every 2nd sentence she, ended with "right?"

"It sucks" in a presentation more than once or at all, in a workplace presentation or in a public lecture or at municipal council presentation, won't cut it. :) People start to wonder about one's limited vocabulary. If you are a journalist who loves wordsmithing and language, then show it. "It sucks" is not enough.

I did my undergrad in English Lit. & Language . I appreciate language...alot :) even if I misspell here at times in a hurry. :)

Better get myself back to slang, not profanity use in discussion here. :) If I had to do it all over again, I should have chosen sociolinguistics, instead of just literature.

BleeckerSt_Girl
04-18-2009, 07:55 AM
I'm surprised they didn't mention "UP TALKING", which to me is the absolute biggest indicator of the lingual deterioration of young people today. It drives me absolutely insane to listen to it.
Up-talking:
"It's like when every phrase? in the middle of your sentence? ends with your voice like turning up? as though it was like the end of a question?....but it really isn't yet? and they just keep like going on and on stringing their thoughts together? so you can't like participate in the conversation? and it's so like incredibly annoying to listen to? and it like sounds like some airhead valley girl?"

:mad:

alpinerabbit
04-18-2009, 10:16 AM
ugh, we had a presentation like that from an american company once.

like, she was also talking too fast? to overseas nurses? whose english isnt, like, that good anyway?

ugh.

msincredible
04-18-2009, 02:20 PM
I'm surprised they didn't mention "UP TALKING", which to me is the absolute biggest indicator of the lingual deterioration of young people today. It drives me absolutely insane to listen to it.
Up-talking:
"It's like when every phrase? in the middle of your sentence? ends with your voice like turning up? as though it was like the end of a question?....but it really isn't yet? and they just keep like going on and on stringing their thoughts together? so you can't like participate in the conversation? and it's so like incredibly annoying to listen to? and it like sounds like some airhead valley girl?"

:mad:

Like a traditional Irish accent?

BleeckerSt_Girl
04-18-2009, 02:59 PM
Like a traditional Irish accent?

Irish accent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GO-irf4ZP4
(warning, pretty silly)

msincredible
04-18-2009, 03:07 PM
Do the Irish string all their sentences together without end?

No, but every sentence sounds like a question.

VeloVT
04-18-2009, 04:45 PM
I used to work for a political organization. We would organize volunteer phonebanks sometimes. The volunteer training for these events always included the "dammit rule." **IN YOUR HEAD** (and only there), say "dammit" after every sentence.

Hi John, my name is Liza, dammit, and I'm calling with the xyz party, dammit. I wanted to let you know about an event we'll be holding next monday, dammit.

It's pretty hard to do "upspeak" this way ;).

malkin
04-18-2009, 05:21 PM
My experience with Irish conversation is that everybody gets to talk all the time, beep or no beep.

OakLeaf
04-18-2009, 05:34 PM
Like, I'm almost 50, and everyone my age says this stuff? ;)

Seriously, I would say the age divide is closer to 60 or 65 for the usages you're describing, in the USA. But I remember in the past, noticing that Canadians spoke a lot more "cleanly." So maybe it just takes 20 years for our slang to work its way north. ;)

I did notice that when I retired from practicing law and quit hanging out with so many lawyers, I definitely had to clean up my language. It's like whenever we were in casual conversation, we got the courtroom behavior out of our system by having every other word be "f***." :confused: It didn't take long to find out that that kind of language isn't considered acceptable among non-lawyers. :p

shootingstar
04-18-2009, 06:34 PM
But I remember in the past, noticing that Canadians spoke a lot more "cleanly." So maybe it just takes 20 years for our slang to work its way north. ;)

I did notice that when I retired from practicing law and quit hanging out with so many lawyers, I definitely had to clean up my language. It's like whenever we were in casual conversation, we got the courtroom behavior out of our system by having every other word be "f***." :confused: It didn't take long to find out that that kind of language isn't considered acceptable among non-lawyers. :p

Methinks, Oak it may depend which region of Canada and which groups of people both socioeconomic and age groups in Canada.

For past 3 yrs., in work commute, I took a bus which included some regular rougher folks in terms of language and attitude. Many of the workers were labourers and factory workers..I could tell where they got off, what they talked about often, etc. Profanity every 5th word and "like", and "so" sprinkled often. Not an inspiring thing to hear at 7:00 am every morning even before starting work.

But yes, usually these folks were a minority not majority on bus. I think most people were half asleep or pretending to shut off the uninspiring dialogue. :rolleyes: