I've had it!

[sundial]

I was cleaning out my drawers the other day and came across a pair of Terry shorts--the ones that are recommended for distance rides. So I put it on this morning and took it for a long-ish ride.

No more Terry shorts for me. :mad: :( I had one of those rides where it started out great and then the last 12 miles were torture. I felt pain with each pedal stroke. Dumb chamois! Gah!

[redrhodie]

I also had painful situation with terry knickers today. I generally love them, and find them to be the most comfortable bottoms I have, but I just bought a new pair, and I got a small because the lbs I went to was out of mediums. When I tried them on in the store, they seemed to fit just fine. Well, not so on the bike. The whole ride I couldn't stop thinking about them, not in a good way. I think since I wore them it's too late to return them. $80 down the drain :(

[sundial]

Maybe you can sell them on TE.

[Zen]

I just opened a package from TE containing PI Sugar Knickers.

When I saw that chamois i just about died. IT'S GIGANTIC!!!!

Back they go:o:(

[sundial]

Zen, get the 3-D Pro chamois. Not too thick and really wicks the moisture. I have it in my bibs. I'm going to order me another PI with this chamois.

[Blueberry]

I just opened a package from TE containing PI Sugar Knickers.

When I saw that chamois i just about died. IT'S GIGANTIC!!!!

Back they go:o:(


What?!?! NO!!!!! They used to have a nice little thin chamois:mad::mad:

Why do they have to keep "improving".....

CA

[Becky]

I also had painful situation with terry knickers today. I generally love them, and find them to be the most comfortable bottoms I have, but I just bought a new pair, and I got a small because the lbs I went to was out of mediums. When I tried them on in the store, they seemed to fit just fine. Well, not so on the bike. The whole ride I couldn't stop thinking about them, not in a good way. I think since I wore them it's too late to return them. $80 down the drain :(

Which ones? If they have the pink chamois (Flex Air), I'd be interested.

[redrhodie]

Which ones? If they have the pink chamois (Flex Air), I'd be interested.

Yes, there's they have the pink flex air chamois. I only wore them for 18 miles. PM me if you're interested. I'll discount them, of course.

[Tuckervill]

I went to the PI outlet in North Conway, NH last week.

I have the PI Sugar shorts, in a large, 2007 model. I was getting wary about them since I lost 48 lbs. The chamois seems too thick and bunches up. I liked them last year. I talked to the guy about it, who seemed knowledgeable. He said PI made all their chamois the same thickness for 2008. I bought some mediums, just in case it was the size difference.

On my Saturday ride, I had chafing, although I didn't feel the chamois bunch up anymore. It was the first time I ever used a lube on my chamois. It helped a lot, but I don't want to have to use lube every time.

I think now I'm realizing the thick part of the chamois is too wide at the narrowest part, compared to some Canari's and LG's that I have. They're still wearable, though.

Karen

[berkeley]

I swore PI's 3d elite was bigger than it used to be! I have an older pair of the ultrasensors, which has the 3d elite - and I love them, but when I went to the store to get another pair the chamois seemed ginormous.

I will say that the sugar knickers (with the 3d tour) are also HUGE, but felt fine on the bike.

[Zen]

I don't know what I was thinking when I ordered them. I'll just take unlined and wear tri shorts under them.

[Miranda]

I used to love those PI Sugars. That sent me in a whole blab about spin class shorts one thread. That new chamois is just gross. FWIW, the Terry club short has a thin single piece polar fleece chamois "similiar" to the old Sugar. But not exact. I ALSO had the same hissy cow about my PI ultrasensors... I started having issues like a seam. The color of the chamois was different... so something in that lovely upgrade *bleah* must have changed. Now, I'm back to the drawing board with some more things on order.

Also, besides the Terry club short... I did not like the chamois on the Terry shorts, or the fabric. I think part of the deal for me is the sitz bone width. I've started measuring my chamois points, just like saddles. My dress maker tape measure is always out in action. OK, so they get a "puff" pad in one section of the short... but if your sitz bone is not on that "puff" exactly, so what... a waste, that's what.

The Terry shorts fabric I tried sorta reminds me of 70's grainy poly leisure suits. The club short seems a lil bit less grain... or maybe it's that I wear it an hour for spin class, vs a long road ride.

[Crankin]

Miranda, are you talking about the Terry Bellas? Or the regular T shorts? I love the Bellas. Yes, the fabric is shiny, but it's tight and full of lycra. The more lycra the better for me.
Chamois is so individual. I could never go back to wearing the thin, one dimensional chamois of the old Terry shorts. My bum actually hurts if I wear shorts like that now. On the other hand, I have a pair of Shebeest with a very similar chamois to the Bellas. But, it's just a bit thicker. The first few times I wore them, ow! Especially when I wore them to spin class and the saddle there was well, not good with those shorts. It took washing them about 5-6 times to wear them down. Now I save those for long, hot rides.

[sundial]

... but if your sitz bone is not on that "puff" exactly, so what... a waste, that's what.

Exactly! I can't seem to fit Terry saddles OR chamois. :rolleyes:

I have a Sugoi Gusta mtb short and the chamois is awesome. I wonder if the road bike stuff is as comfie.

[roadie gal]

Miranda, are you talking about the Terry Bellas? Or the regular T shorts? I love the Bellas. Yes, the fabric is shiny, but it's tight and full of lycra. The more lycra the better for me.
Chamois is so individual. I could never go back to wearing the thin, one dimensional chamois of the old Terry shorts. My bum actually hurts if I wear shorts like that now. On the other hand, I have a pair of Shebeest with a very similar chamois to the Bellas. But, it's just a bit thicker. The first few times I wore them, ow! Especially when I wore them to spin class and the saddle there was well, not good with those shorts. It took washing them about 5-6 times to wear them down. Now I save those for long, hot rides.

I bought a pair of the Bellas. Ugh! I felt like I was squeezing myself into a sausage casing! Now the T-shorts, that's a different story. I LOVE that fabric, it's supportive without being constrictive.

The chamois on all of them, the pink one, is WAY too thick for me by and large. I don't know why they have to make them so huge...

[sundial]

Maybe we should post pics of the thicknesses of chamois if inquiring minds want to know. It's kinda hard to tell from the description of the product.

[Miranda]

Maybe we should post pics of the thicknesses of chamois if inquiring minds want to know. It's kinda hard to tell from the description of the product.


Sundial... you just read my mind:D.

I had something with one of my orders that I had to call TE for the first time the other day. The phone service was just what I would expect of the site... awesome. Which, I expressed :).

However... if I had to come up with something that might make TE even more unbelievably better, it would be chamois dimensions in the reference library.

I LOVE :cool: how you can click on the chamois type in the shorts description, and a pic of it pops up. The dimensions factor could be a CAD overlay, or another window maybe... or maybe even just text. That would be really really hard though if you did sizes within a particular short. Maybe for a start you could pick the most common size... say medium, and just ball park the width AND length in a single text line. This would at least give you an idea of how each brand compares.

Here's a couple things in shorts I own from TE...

EXAMPLES (rough measurement):

Sugoi Gusta size small 20cm wide, puff pad thingy (sorry really techy I know:rolleyes:, bear with me) 15.5cm wide, length 30cm

Sheebeest Triple S road short size small 18cm wide, puff pad thingy 14cm, length 25cm

NOW THEN... let's look at my humble bum...
My sitz are 140mm/14cm, and a quick measurement from my sitz bones to my pubic bone is 25cm.

Let's see what happens to my bum in the two above shorts...
The Sugoi covers it all.
The Sheebeest short puts my bones directly on the edge of the puff pad thingy.... which doesn't really stay stationary in a ride, or probably doesn't even go on proportionally... sooo, my chamois isn't quite working there.

Now, the Sugoi Gusta short I LOVE (used for mtb), but might be too thick a material for whatever road saddle I evntually find. I think it's really hard to find a thinner thickness chamois, AND have it be the extra width if your sitz bones are further apart. That is indeed what those old PI Sugars did.

Plus, if you have enough meat on your bum to tightly fill up a small short (as the lycra should be), but enough bum bone to fill up a size med or lrg chamois... that mixes it up even more. Guess that means I have a big ole boney bum:eek:.

Umm:rolleyes:, I have massive piles of laundry I need to catch up on:o, but when I do, I think I will take a couple pics of the shorts chamois... like the one old pair of Sugars I hoard for spin class (btw, purple chamois, & sz small W=20cm x L=30cm).

[sundial]

...puff pad thingy (sorry really techy I know:rolleyes:....

LOL! :D Okay, I'm up for posting a photo of the thickness of my Sugoi Gusta short chamois if anyone would like to know like Zen.

[Zen]

Not that I'm some kind of Merv the Perv, but yes :D

[Crankin]

OK, you guys can measure your chamois...

Of course, I don't measure my sitz bones, either.

[Susan Otcenas]

However... if I had to come up with something that might make TE even more unbelievably better, it would be chamois dimensions in the reference library.


It's been under discussion for some time, actually. :-) We have a new photographer, and we've been talking about a way to use an L-shaped ruler graphic to show length & width. The only problen arises when we use vendor photos of chamois that are not straight-on views. Still working that out.

Anyway, we hope to start adding this feature with our S'09 product going forward.

Susan

[tulip]

I've found shorts I like, so I only buy those kind. I only buy one pair of shorts per year, and the kind I buy last me 4-5 years, so I have a quite a few pairs. My favorite brand has worked for me for years, so I don't even look at others.

[redrhodie]

I now like my small Terry knickers that caused so much trouble that first ride. Washing them a few times loosened up the chamois. Now they're perfect.