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kfergos
09-05-2008, 08:26 AM
Here were the symptoms:
1. Arrhythmic ticking. It ticked all the time when I pedaled, but not in any particular rhythm (once per pedal-stroke, for example).
2. Ticking stops when pressure on pedals lets up. If I pedaled without putting any downward pressure on the pedals, the ticking went away.
3. Ticking increases in volume over time. The longer I rode trying to ignore the ticking, the louder it got, until I swear it was drowning out traffic around me. People on the sidewalk turned to look and see what that weird noise was!
4. Ticking is worse on uphills. I later determined this was really a pressure-on-pedals thing.
5. I replaced the entire drive train (a separate issue) and it kept ticking as always.
6. Ticking seemed to happen only from the 12 o'clock to 5 o'clock position as the crank went around. I suspect this is a pressure-on-pedals thing, too, and if I pedaled in circles better I'd've heard it all the time.

I took my bike in to the LBS, described the symptoms, and let them test ride it. Of course, it didn't tick at all, so I went away without it fixed and feeling somewhat irritated. The ticking resumed almost the instant I rode off. I repeated this cycle several times, but the LBS never identified the problem.

Then I flew to Seattle for the STP. This involved breaking the bike into little bits. After I reconstituted the bits into a bike in Seattle and had a local LBS eyeball it, the ticking disappeared. I rejoiced at riding the 205-mile STP in relative quiet. But after I got back to Boston, rebuilt it again, and had my normal LBS look at it, the ticking returned with a vengeance. I have suffered through two months of increasingly loud, irritating ticking until finally I described the issue to my LBS one more time.

They diagnosed it as a bottom bracket issue. It doesn't seem to have any impact on the bike's safety or ride quality (aside from the drive-you-insane aspect), and I plan on selling this bike when my new one comes in, so I settled down to live with the ticking for another month or so. But honestly the prospect made me twitch. However, I called my mom, whose bike had been exhibiting the exact same symptoms as mine, and told her my LBS attributed it to the bottom bracket. My mom said maybe, but that she'd just been to a bike shop where they...

Before I go any further, do you have a guess what the problem was? If not, here's the spoiler.

...started to take off her pedals to check the bottom bracket. The pedals were cross-threaded, and the mechanic refused to do any more work since he was concerned he'd damage the pedals and cranks more (he hadn't done the original work on the bike). Interestingly, after her pedals were adjusted, my mom's bike stopped ticking.

Huh. So this morning I decided to try removing and cleaning my pedals, just in case. Nothing else had worked, and I was desperate. I wrestled the pedals off, wiped down the threads, re-greased them, and put them back on. Then I rode to work... in silence. It was like getting a whole new bike (minus the paying thousands of dollars thing); I could've jumped for joy, only I was clipped in.

Simply unscrewing and cleaning the pedals has saved my sanity! Hooray!

Aggie_Ama
09-05-2008, 08:54 AM
Okay, that settles it, my pedals are coming off! I have the same clicking and already had a bottom bracket service about 800 miles ago. Got a project for the evening me thinks. ;)

GLC1968
09-05-2008, 08:55 AM
Did you happen to do a search on this forum about ticking noises? I ask because I had the EXACT same thing happen to me on my road bike a little over a year ago. I even bought a new bottom bracket and it didn't solve the problem. After I tried removing and regreasing the pedals, it went away. Haven't heard it since (so I put my old BB back on and returned the new one).

I know how incredibly annoying that sound was though. I'm glad you finally got relief! :)

kfergos
09-05-2008, 09:06 AM
GLC1968 - D'oh. I didn't even think of it, and that's such an obvious thing to do, too. To think I could've figured this out months ago, and saved some of that sanity that's seeped away with each tick!

maillotpois
09-05-2008, 09:22 AM
"What is that mysterious ticking noise?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx1XIm6q4r4

:D

BleeckerSt_Girl
09-05-2008, 09:32 AM
This is actually very common. And it's not just from the pedal threads, but it can also happen inside the pedal axle- where their are little bearings.
If you take the pedal apart and clean/lube those bearings, the ticking will disappear as well. My issue was with the bearings- and the symptoms included a feeling of the clik snapping on the balls of my feet, as though someone was snapping their fingers against the ball of my one foot with each pedal stroke. Incredibly annoying! What a relief when we figured it out and fixed it.

Flur
09-05-2008, 09:32 AM
OMG! This has been driving me NUTS! Now I just have to figure out how to get Crank Bros pedals off and back on again...

kfergos
09-05-2008, 09:39 AM
OMG! This has been driving me NUTS! Now I just have to figure out how to get Crank Bros pedals off and back on again...

Mine are Crank Bros. eggbeaters. My normal bike tool has an Allen wrench fat enough to fit in the pedal shaft. After that, it's just a matter of following my favorite pedal-removal instructions (http://www.myra-simon.com/bike/mech.html) (most of the way down the page) and not cutting my hand off with the gears on the big chainring.

maillotpois - I'm glad my ticking cause wasn't the same as in that video!

Flur
09-05-2008, 09:52 AM
Oh, I see, on the non-pedal side of the crank arm! I knew it was an allen and not a pedal wrench, but I couldn't figure out where the allen wrench went. LOL!

TahoeDirtGirl
09-05-2008, 10:01 AM
I had this problem! but it sort of vibrated through my foot so I knew my pedals were cross threaded!!! Great to hear you resolved it!

Flur
09-19-2008, 12:08 PM
I finally resolved my ticking issue today. For me it was the bottom bracket, but it wasn't that it was broken, it was that it needed to be re-greased. I greased the pedals (the bearings - I wanted to do the threads also but I couldn't get them off the bike!) and when that didn't work I took it in to my LBS. We tried re-greasing the pedal spindles and tightening the chainrings, but when that didn't work my shop guy turned to the BB. I just picked it up and rode it home and was amazed at how silent it was. I'd forgotten... it was SO nice. :)

ginny
09-19-2008, 12:27 PM
"What is that mysterious ticking noise?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx1XIm6q4r4

:D

That was SO funny! I really thought it was going to be a bike video! My lab mates thought I was nuts! :D:D:D

maillotpois
09-19-2008, 12:38 PM
That was SO funny! I really thought it was going to be a bike video! My lab mates thought I was nuts! :D:D:D

Yeah, my daughter and I get a real kick out of that.

SadieKate
09-19-2008, 12:50 PM
OMG! That's exactly what I want to do to Harry at times.

GLC1968
09-19-2008, 02:32 PM
That's a hilarious video!!

Andrea
09-24-2008, 06:37 AM
I had pedal-click once that was mis-diagnosed as BB noise. When my new BB started to make noise, I thought it would be the pedals, but it wasn't. I ended up tearing the crank/BB down, re-greasing everything, and STILL having a tick! What fixed it was tearing it down (again) and putting teflon tape on the BB threads. It's silent now.

kfergos
09-24-2008, 06:57 AM
Incidentally...it's back. :mad:

Taking the pedals off did remove the ticking, but not for very long. I could just keep taking them off and on again constantly, but I'm concerned about the safety of that idea. I'm sure at some point they wouldn't be tight enough or something, and I'd only learn that along the way. Plus that doesn't really seem like a good long-term solution.

Any thoughts?

BleeckerSt_Girl
09-24-2008, 07:01 AM
Incidentally...it's back. :mad:

Taking the pedals off did remove the ticking, but not for very long. I could just keep taking them off and on again constantly, but I'm concerned about the safety of that idea. I'm sure at some point they wouldn't be tight enough or something, and I'd only learn that along the way. Plus that doesn't really seem like a good long-term solution.

Any thoughts?

It's probably not the part of the pedal axle that spins or screws onto the crank....it's the bearings INSIDE the pedal axle. Thus, greasing the outside spinning parts of the pedals is not going to really solve this.
You have to open the axle itself and clean/regrease the bearings. Or.....buy new pedals.

kfergos
09-24-2008, 07:20 AM
Why did taking the pedals off and putting them back on again make it go away?

How many miles do pedals usually last? I bought mine last July, and since then have put approximately 8,000 miles on them.

BleeckerSt_Girl
09-24-2008, 07:35 AM
Why did taking the pedals off and putting them back on again make it go away?

Maybe because some of the oil/lube you squirted on the outside spinning part seeped into the bearings and helped them temporarily?
I'm not 100% sure but I think that (like rollerskate bearings) the pedal bearings need grease which will not evaporate or leak out like thin lube or thin oil will.


How many miles do pedals usually last? I bought mine last July, and since then have put approximately 8,000 miles on them.

My previous pedals had this issue after about 3,000 miles, on one pedal. Sholdn't have happened, but then it's not a perfect world. ;)
I was lazy and ordered new pedals. But the old ticking one stills sits around waiting to be opened up and cleaned and greased. DH said he'd do it 'eventually'. :cool:

What kills me is that this a fairly common problem, and yet I keep hearing about LBS's that immediately have people change their bottom brackets first, without even checking the pedals. Why not check the easiest and least expensive possibility first? :confused:

Anyway, to me your symptoms sound like the inside pedal bearings.

kfergos
09-25-2008, 08:35 AM
I checked with my LBS and they said it's $70 to overhaul the pedals. (I don't feel like have enough experience to take them apart myself.)

But I called Crank Bros. and they'll overhaul them for free! :eek: I just have to ship them to Laguna Beach for repairs. Sign me up!

When they get there, my pedals will have nicer weather than I will.

Now please excuse me; I have to go hunt down an eggbeater pedal-sized box...

Flur
09-25-2008, 06:54 PM
Before you send them off to Crank Bros, have you tried greasing the bearings? They can be greased without even taking the pedals off the bike, and s/b greased about every 300 miles. All you need is bike grease, a grease gun (I got a Pedro's one that came with a tube of grease) and the little grease attachment that came with the pedals (if you don't have it you can probably get one from Crank Bros). You just unscrew the cap on the outside of the pedal and screw in the grease attachment and then pump in new grease. The old grease will come out the other side. When the grease coming out the other side is clean, you're done.