Put this in the "You've got to be kidding" category

[7rider]

...ugh...
Primal Wear out-does themselves.
Saw this (http://www.paragonsports.com/Paragon/Shop?DSP=40000&PCR=1:100:1001:10022:100189&IID=6444-BR2BJ70W)on my LBS listserv (no, they don't carry it, thankfully, and hopefully TE won't either [edit: oops..omg, they carry it!).
Funny, tho', is Bike Snob NYC's report (http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2008/01/from-bsnyc-department-of-consumer.html)on it.
Love:
"..any woman who dons this jersey is at severe risk of sudden and complete loss of dignity.."
and
"they’ve also managed to successfully show what the world would be like if terrorists detonated a bomb that somehow destroyed all irony while leaving humor intact."
and
"this may be the world’s only jersey with an integrated tramp-stamp"

[Veronica]

I actually kind of like it. I've been married for a bizillion years. But I could see taking it on a honeymoon trip.

V.

[SouthernBelle]

I remember the comments on that when it first came out. "Hooker wedding".

[emily_in_nc]

Yeah, that's awful. :eek: Would be cute/funny for a Halloween ride, but not worth spending money on for that (IMO)!

Emily

[Grog]

My now-husband and myself actually thought they were funny and were going to use them (there is also a tuxedo top) for our going-away from the wedding. We couldn't find the right sizes so we ended up getting custom wool jerseys instead.

[Zen]

My now-husband and myself actually thought they were funny and were going to use them (there is also a tuxedo top) for our going-away from the wedding.

A tuxedo is dignified.
There is a niche for a bridal jersey but this one could use a bit of modification.

[Velobambina]

I remember that jersey from a couple years ago. Not my cup of tea but each to her own. Of course, I never did the whole bride/big wedding thing, opting instead for elopement and later, getting married by a priest with just parents present.

[Andrea]

One time I told a chick "nice tramp stamp" during a race. Maybe it was just a jersey?

I'm normally nice, but she was being a bully and everyone in the pack was getting annoyed with her :rolleyes:

[sundial]

.......and hopefully TE won't either [edit: oops..omg, they carry it!).

Talk to Susan and suggest they locate a more flattering design. :) She's always so helpful when I need assistance.

[crazycanuck]

What a bunch of stick in the muds! Get over it :rolleyes:

[Mr. SR500]

"That's HOT" :D

[Blueberry]

That's hilarious!!! I wouldn't spend the $$ on it, but it *is* funny (at least to me...)

CA

[Zen]

What a bunch of stick in the muds! Get over it :rolleyes:

We were simply expressing opinions about the bridal jersey, not of one another.

[mimitabby]

my DH has the tux jersey and he's had more fun with it.
I didn't care for the cut of the bridal jersey, however, if they made just the right formal dress looking jersey, i might wear it just for fun (like DH does the tux)

[OakLeaf]

I want a helmet with a veil.

And a bridal skort.

[Veronica]

..
"this may be the world’s only jersey with an integrated tramp-stamp"


It's this quote that bugs me. I don't have a tattoo, but getting one doesn't automatically make you a tramp.

What about piercings, other than ears? Do those make you a tramp?

And what exactly is a tramp these days?

V.

[Zen]

Tramp Stamp is the common vernacular for these lower back tattoos.
Sometimes, depending on the design, known as Butt Horns.

[Veronica]

Tramp Stamp is the common vernacular for these lower back tattoos.
Sometimes, depending on the design, known as Butt Horns.

I know how the words are used. It's still a derogatory term.

V.

[Trek420]

A tuxedo is dignified.
There is a niche for a bridal jersey but this one could use a bit of modification.

I thought the jersey was funny, kind of an affectionate jab at weddings and could have it's place with riders with a sense of humor. I had not noticed the tat till now.

But I wonder why the so called "tramp stamp" is being pulled over by the cycling fashion police but nobody objects to these arm warmers

http://www.teamestrogen.com/products.asp?pID=30162

edited to add, oooh, they have a Samurai pattern

Is it that tats on men are cool, on women it's objectionable?

Have fun, ride in costume sometime. We don't all have to wear (or even have) classic wool and matching in coolness factor socks.

And where is the LBS that sells the sets of ill fitting, rediculous styled, unflattering, salmon and aqua colored matching bridesmaid jerseys with butt bow and puffy sleeves? :p

[lph]

and OOOH! they have dragon tattoo socks! I WANT those :p

Just perfect for those of us who want to look briefly cool and interesting but are way too chicken to get the real thing. :D

btw I thought the jersey was 'orrible, but I thought that was sort of the point. Very funny, though.

[kelownagirl]

I always liked that jersey. :p I wouldn't buy it but I thought it was funny and if I was biking at my wedding, I just might have. :o

[roadie gal]

I think the jersey is pretty hysterical, although I wouldn't spend my hard earned money on it... If I had a gift certificate, though.... maybe.

The sleeves are great! Those I might acutally buy.

[OakLeaf]

Is it that tats on men are cool, on women it's objectionable?

uh, at the risk of being in the minority here, I think it's that a design intended to lead the viewer's eyes into the tatt-ee's pants is exhibitionist, to say the least.

I don't have a problem with those tatts, but I definitely think they're overtly sexual in a way that most men's tatts are not. A few, but not most.

[Susan Otcenas]

Put this one into the "give customers what they ask for" category.

The bRide2B jersey was one of our most requested Primal Jerseys of 2007, usually in tandem with the men's Ritz jersey (a faux tuxedo jersey which we are currently out of stock in.)

What I've learned in 10 years of being in this business is that we can't carry only what WE personally might like, but rather we need to carry a selection of what people want to wear. While my gut is usually correct (ie. if I hate it but buy it anyway, it usually doesn't sell well), there have been many pieces that I found hideous which actually sold quite well.

Far be it for me to be an arbiter of fashion. :eek:

Susan

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

It's this quote that bugs me. I don't have a tattoo, but getting one doesn't automatically make you a tramp.
What about piercings, other than ears? Do those make you a tramp?
And what exactly is a tramp these days?
V.

I personally think the term "tramp" has become so overused as to be practically meaningless these days. I even hear teenagers calling each other "tramp" in a joking way with each other. It seems it's a term that's gone mainstream, and I just can't get worked up about it like I might have 15 years ago. :o
Hey, at least it's still way less offensive than the term "ho". :rolleyes:


uh, at the risk of being in the minority here, I think it's that a design intended to lead the viewer's eyes into the tatt-ee's pants is exhibitionist, to say the least.

All tattoos are exhibitionist, that's part of what makes tattoos intriguing and fascinating. They are "exhibited", -intended to be seen on the skin (either by the general public or by a private viewer).


I don't have a problem with those tatts, but I definitely think they're overtly sexual in a way that most men's tatts are not. A few, but not most.

People decide how sexual/sensual or non-sexual/sensual their tattoo designs are going to be. Everyone likes different things. People expose more or less areas of skin, tattooed or not. There are limits in our society- such as you can't walk around with your genitals exposed, tattooed or not! :-D I find it all fascinating, but never offensive.

[KnottedYet]

I kinda like that jersey, and have been tempted several times to buy it... and I'm a big ol' d*ke. It's over-the-top funny, even the "tramp stamp."

[Resi]

Ha, at least it is not black or dark colored... I don't understand, why people get so worked up about it...

Resi

[Zen]

All tattoos are exhibitionist, that's part of what makes tattoos intriguing and fascinating. They are "exhibited", -intended to be seen on the skin (either by the general public or by a private viewer).



By that standard, jewelery and clothing are exhibitionist.
There are jeans and then there are jeans cut so low the wearers undergarments are exposed.

A tattoo on the lower back says look at my butt. A small tattoo on the ankle
may attract the eye to the ankle but unless this is 1890 it's doesn't carry with it sexual undertones.

I just forgot my original intention of this post.
It's been a rough couple of days...

[Veronica]

What's wrong with sexual undertones?

Just because someone wants to make themselves look sexy does not them make a tramp.

It's a stereotype, pigeonholing someone because of one attribute.

V.

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

By that standard, jewelery and clothing are exhibitionist.

Indeed, and they are, in many ways! As are hairstyles and makeup and nail polish, even cars, etc. :D My point is that exhibitionism isn't inherently "bad".


There are jeans and then there are jeans cut so low the wearers undergarments are exposed.

Well I personally have no problem with getting a glimpse of someone's undergarments...as long as they aren't grossly dirty. As to jeans that hang down off the butt, well I just laugh. They look pretty silly trying to walk with their legs apart. 20 years from now their kids will be laughing at the old photos of their parents. ;)


A tattoo on the lower back says look at my butt. A small tattoo on the ankle
may attract the eye to the ankle but unless this is 1890 it's doesn't carry with it sexual undertones.

They all are calculated to make us notice the beautiful curves of the human body in some way, and nothing wrong with that I think. ;) And yes, an ankle tattoo can absolutely carry sexual overtones, especially if it's creative! :p


I just forgot my original intention of this post.
It's been a rough couple of days...

Happens to all of us! :rolleyes:

[KnottedYet]

mmmm, ankles.... that little hollow just behind the bone, the tough strong achilles tendon, the soft skin near the shin, the muscles running along the outside...

oh, wait, what was the question?

[Wahine]

I knew your interest in feet went way beyond the realms of professionalism.;)

[KnottedYet]

"Bringing passion to the profession," ah-yup.

[RoadRaven]

OK... showed this to the cyclists in my family, and one of our training partners, and we have decided it would be an ideal for one of my partner's training buddies. The buddy is a "real bloke" and he would look great in the bridal top - if we could convince him to wear it :p

[Zen]

The buddy is a "real bloke" and he would look great in the bridal top - if we could convince him to wear it :p

A few beers...

[RoadRaven]

Ah... he would be partial to a few beers...
:cool:

<EFG>

[teigyr]

A tattoo on the lower back says look at my butt.
I just forgot my original intention of this post.
It's been a rough couple of days...

:D

Not to go too off-topic on this and not to defend myself or others, but that isn't always the case. Mine was done about 15 years ago. It has a lot of significance to me and at the time I would have preferred it in another spot but we couldn't think of anywhere else. The design is symetrical so the spot had to be relatively flat. I do enough dress-up things and have no desire to make a statement so I wanted it to be easily hidden. The last thing I want is people to look at my butt :o And when I first heard the term "tramp stamp", I was mortified but I guess that spot got popular and with that, public perception changed.

I don't think all tattoos are have anything to do with "look at me" or sexuality or anything like that. Mine certainly doesn't. I spent a lot of money and time to create something that celebrates my heritage and I consider it meaningful art and it's not for anyone but me to see. That and DH, of course. Unfortunately other people DO see it sometimes because I'm tall and while I try to get shirts long enough, sometimes they aren't quite long enough.

Ok, am off my soapbox! And back to the main topic, I've seen that jersey in cycling shops. It's quirky. It isn't me but I could definitely see the attraction :D

[tc1]

I kinda like the jersey. I could show off my tattoos.

[RoadRaven]

The last thing I want is people to look at my butt :o And when I first heard the term "tramp stamp", I was mortified but I guess that spot got popular and with that, public perception changed.

I don't think all tattoos are have anything to do with "look at me" or sexuality or anything like that. Mine certainly doesn't. I spent a lot of money and time to create something that celebrates my heritage and I consider it meaningful art and it's not for anyone but me to see. That and DH, of course. Unfortunately other people DO see it sometimes because I'm tall and while I try to get shirts long enough, sometimes they aren't quite long enough.

I'm with you Teigyr... I think a tattoo in itself there is not an indication of the tramp-iness of an individual. I believe (this is not a research-based belief, just a personal one) that the "tramp-stamp" label evolved because of the ridiculous fashion of hipster jeans, short tops to allow exposed midriffs, specially designed g-strings to be seen above the hipsters... That says tramp if nothing does (and I'm no prude). add a tattoo to the mix and I understand how the name evolved.

If I was getting a tattoo - which I would quite like to do but my partner doesn't like them so I won't - I would probably have one there or on my shoulders. And I would choose these places for the same reason as you - it would be a celtic design in line with my heritage, and it would be for me, not a statement to the world. (Although I do like the idea of a chain-ring marking on my leg - I have them often enough anyway ;P )

[OakLeaf]

(Although I do like the idea of a chain-ring marking on my leg - I have them often enough anyway ;P )

One of the ride leaders in our club has a tatt on his leg that's in just the right place and general shape/size for chainring grease - it's some kind of geometric ribbon thing, but it's fooled me more than once :p

[teigyr]

Mine is a celtic cross taken from a gravestone rubbing in Ireland. This was my artist: http://www.art-tattoo.com/. She adapted the rubbing to a tattoo. It was months of planning and then hours of actual work. It brought together my forefathers (I am told I am descended from the last pagan king in Ireland but who knows...), spirituality, and the circle of life.

I understand the "tramp stamp" label but I tend to get irked by it. I got this long before I met my husband but he's ok with it :D I could get another, if I wanted. He kind of wants to also. When I was dating I did get the "eeeeuuuuwww, I'd never go out with a girl who had a tattoo" comments sometimes. I figured anyone so judgemental would never be for me so I never let it get to me.

Now this has gone WAY ot! I do like the idea of the chain grease on my leg. I also tend to have that look going when I ride. That is a great idea!

[Zen]

I believe (this is not a research-based belief, just a personal one) that the "tramp-stamp" label evolved because of the ridiculous fashion of hipster jeans, short tops to allow exposed midriffs, specially designed g-strings to be seen above the hipsters... That says tramp if nothing does (and I'm no prude). add a tattoo to the mix and I understand how the name evolved.



Look at the time-line of those trends. It seems they somehow simultaneously evolved.

[RoadRaven]

I dunno Zen, I knew quite a few girls and women who had the tats over their but long before showing one's muffins off became trendy... :p