I’m not here to crash the party… [Archive] - Women's Cycling Discussion Forums

MSG Hall

11-23-2007, 01:44 AM

I wanted to come over here and thank a few of you. SouthernGirl and Trek420 specifically.

I am a Soldier currently deployed to Iraq. On another forum, I ask if anyone had a Mountain Bike to sell me. Maybe an older one that wasn’t ridden any longer. I own a couple of Cannondales, but didn’t want them shipped over here. I wanted a bike I could leave for the next Soldier when I come home.

I used to be an avid rider and raced cross-country all over Germany. In 1997 I crashed down a mountain coming off a 30 foot jump when the pin holding my rear suspension sheered. I broke my back and cracked a hip. That was a long recovery, but here I am still in the Army, and still riding, although my racing days are long past.

In any case, a few people on our camping forum including SouthernGirl all offered to help me out with a bike, and wouldn’t take any money from me. I now have a fine Tempest GT and a good set of tires just arrived today. I will be ridding very soon and that will be a huge stress release for me.

SouthernGirl and Treck420 sent me the inner tubes, water bottle, energy bars and a helmet (and they guessed the right size). I am all set and I thank all of you that contributed to me and any other Soldier here you have helped. I have been in the Army for 22 years, and I do what I do because I believe in our Country, I believe in the good of our citizens, I believe in you.

You have made an old Soldier very happy and very proud to serve such fine people. I truely thank you all.

Bruce

http://www.mikenchell.com/forums/images/avatars/77125324546de8c727f143.jpg

snapdragen

11-23-2007, 06:48 AM

We have some pretty awesome ladies here!:cool:

Oh, and Bruce, don't worry about crashing our party - everyone is welcome here!

Take care.

sandra

11-23-2007, 06:55 AM

Master Sergeant! I'm sorry to say that I was not in on it, but I'm so happy that you got the bike! My son spent a year where you are (and could go back soon), so I know how thrilled I was when wonderful people were so thoughtful to him. There are some great people here and not all are women! Welcome.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO!!! enjoy the bike!

wannaduacentury

11-23-2007, 07:40 AM

Ninabike

11-23-2007, 07:41 AM

Bruce, Thank you for your post and enjoy the bike and stay safe!!

Tuckervill

11-23-2007, 07:57 AM

Thank you for your service, Bruce! So glad you got a bike!

Karen

liberty

11-23-2007, 08:08 AM

Happy Thanksgiving, Bruce! We are thankful for you! Thank you for serving our country. May God bless and protect you,

Liberty

Kalidurga

11-23-2007, 08:13 AM

This is awesome and a well-timed reminder that there are good people out there.

SouthernGirl and Trek, you ladies are terrific.

Bruce, I think it's especially great that you plan on leaving your new bike for someone else to use when you come home. I hope you enjoy every mile you get on it until that time, and then I hope you doubly enjoy your Cannondales when you get back. And welcome to TE!

WhirlyGirl

11-23-2007, 10:12 AM

What a great post! And I too would like to thank you for your service!

SouthernBelle

11-23-2007, 11:23 AM

Hey Bruce!

Glad you find the place. We'll let you stay if you behave. :p

About to go ride even though it's cold out!

Trek420

11-23-2007, 12:06 PM

We have some pretty awesome ladies here!:cool:

Oh, and Bruce, don't worry about crashing our party - everyone is welcome here!

Take care.

Yes we do have some incredible gals here (and a few guys:rolleyes: )!

Bruce, you're welcome. Ride safely, well and often. We'd love to hear the ride reports from there and hope soon to hear that you're home with your beloved Cannondales (and family). They miss you ;)

I'm glad that you got the stuff and as soon as I wipe the tears I'm gonna go on a short ride.

Tri Girl

11-23-2007, 01:46 PM

Bruce, first and foremost thank you for your service to our country. Soldiers are the thread that keep this country together and strong, and you are a hero to us all.
Second- enjoy the heck out of that bike!!! Ride like a maniac over there, and get rid of some of that excess stress that I KNOW all you men and women over there have.
Thank you, God Bless you and your fellow soldiers, and enjoy the ride!! :)

Mr. Bloom

11-23-2007, 06:11 PM

I have been in the Army for 22 years, and I do what I do because I believe in our Country, I believe in the good of our citizens, I believe in you.

You have made an old Soldier very happy and very proud to serve such fine people. I truely thank you all.

Bruce

I too was unaware of what was happening and wish we too could have participated.

But, it is we who are proud of those, like you, who serve. Thank you for your service and sacrifice! Stay safe and come home soon!

Trek420

11-23-2007, 06:21 PM

I too was unaware of what was happening and wish we too could have participated.

What? You mean you don't know every single thing that happens on TE? You must have a life, or a job or .... JK.

http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=19503

You could still participate, it's not too late to do something like this again or start round two :) There's no REI in Iraq and sad to say there probably will be another soldier once our bikerguy heads home :o

MSG Hall

11-23-2007, 11:02 PM

I thank you all for your kind words… I received a PM and was told my post was inappropriate, that this is a ladies forum, and I am not welcome, that I should have used the PM instead of posting. She also seemed offended that I included my picture saying this is not a dating service.

I just want to be clear; I have no ill intentions here, no hidden agendas, and meant absolutely no disrespect to any of you or your board. I only wanted to say thank you on thanks giving day.

crazycanuck

11-24-2007, 12:38 AM

Hey Bruce,

I'm sorry to hear someone out there was such a freakin ***** to you. Some folks are just pains in the 88888

You're more than welcome to post your thanks to two loverrrlyyy TE ladies.

Enjoy the bike :) and i'm sure you can tell us about some cool riding you get to do when safe. I understand you guys n gals are under tons of pressure & i too would want a bike to keep me sane.

As a Canadian army brat, I just want to say I do hope you come back safe & sound to the ones that love you.

Happy riding!

C

divingbiker

11-24-2007, 02:52 AM

I thank you all for your kind words… I received a PM and was told my post was inappropriate, that this is a ladies forum, and I am not welcome, that I should have used the PM instead of posting. She also seemed offended that I included my picture saying this is not a dating service.

Are you kidding me???? Jeez, there's always someone.

Let me add my thanks to the soldiers, and to the generous TE folks who helped you out.

Tuckervill

11-24-2007, 03:30 AM

I thank you all for your kind words… I received a PM and was told my post was inappropriate, that this is a ladies forum, and I am not welcome, that I should have used the PM instead of posting. She also seemed offended that I included my picture saying this is not a dating service.

I just want to be clear; I have no ill intentions here, no hidden agendas, and meant absolutely no disrespect to any of you or your board. I only wanted to say thank you on thanks giving day.

I am completely stunned and appalled that this happened to you. Please accept my sincere apologies. As you know from the circumstances that brought you here, not all of us are so unkind.

My son served a year at Camp Victory. No one ever dared treat him that way; in fact, quite the opposite. I hope this is just an aberration, and that person finds some gratitude somewhere in her heart and a means to properly express it.

former SSG Karen Clark

wawaski

11-24-2007, 03:35 AM

Just read all the posts...for all of us that missed out on this endeavor, maybe we could adopt a soldier ! Bruce could point us in the right direction I'm sure ! As a prior service person myself, I know he keeps tabs on all the guys/gals judging from his rank.
Anyway, just a thought!
S.

Mr. Bloom

11-24-2007, 04:27 AM

I hope someone really didn't say that...

To the naysayers out there: I find it ironic that someone so boldly approached a soldier who is defending our freedoms. ONE of those FREEDOMS is EQUAL ACCESS (a freedom confirmed by the US Supreme Court with guidelines that apply to this forum...). I thought this issue was resolved in last year's debate... http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=12799

Bruce, speaking for the Silvers, we have made some wonderful friends here and some new riding buddies as well:

We rode with makbike at the Horsey Hundred and couldn't keep up with her!
We had trekjeni and friends as house guests for the Hilly Hundred and had a blast
We had dinner for the first time with indysteel last week and made a new friend
...not to mention ALL the folks we only know 'online'

We look forward to making even more friends through this forum; the members are wonderful and very supportive people. We are also committed to keeping this a safe place...

But, also know that this is a well policed and moderated forum, and that inappropriate behavior is not tolerated.

Mr. Bloom

11-24-2007, 04:28 AM

maybe we could adopt a soldier

I like the idea a lot!

sandra

11-24-2007, 04:31 AM

I'm so sorry that happened. Please remember that the feelings of one are not the feelings of all. Be safe Bruce!

SouthernBelle

11-24-2007, 04:53 AM

Who the h*** PM'd you that? Mr. Silver, have you ever gotten a PM like that?

There are several guys here who are valued members of the community.

I invited MSG Hall here and I *&^% well don't appreciate it.

The PMer should have the cajones to post publicly.

SouthernBelle

11-24-2007, 04:57 AM

I feel better now.

BTW, Bruce you owe us a ridng pic.

Also, Note that Bruce's rank now begins with an M for Master. It didn't when we mailed out.

sandra

11-24-2007, 05:06 AM

Also, Note that Bruce's rank now begins with an M for Master. It didn't when we mailed out

I noticed that right off! Congratulations!!

Trek420

11-24-2007, 06:37 AM

I thank you all for your kind words… I received a PM and was told my post was inappropriate, that this is a ladies forum, and I am not welcome, that I should have used the PM instead of posting.

OMF***ing G*d. I am soooooo sorry. I'm not a moderator, I don't play one on TV. This is not indicitive of this board.

As kinda a senior person here (or just someone who posts a lot and has no life:rolleyes: ) I'm shocked though sadly not surprised.

Yes, it's a "womens cycling discussion forum" and hope it will remain so. But we've long had invited guests. And you are welcome here, just don't leave the seat up.

I personally know male cyclists who lurk, like my mechanic (Hi Chris!!). We've had this discussion, perhaps it needs to continue but in its own public sphere and not directed at an individual member.

She also seemed offended that I included my picture saying this is not a dating service.

It isn't? :D ;) Hey honey, MSG Hall says we should not have met here. :p And he's just been promoted and has access to heavy artillery so he's right :cool:

No offense taken, I just took it as "look, this is who got your bike stuff, a real person, really serving, really over there". I think we all did.

So many people don't write thank you letters these days, I was not expecting one because I figured you're pretty busy :cool: I for one was very appreciative, moved and nice to see who it went to.

And I want to see bike pixs and ride reports.

I only wanted to say thank you on thanks giving day.

On behalf of this board I apologize. We want to say thank you for serving your country. And I really don't appreciate having to deal with the drama on board before I've had sufficient coffee.

Edited to add here are some TE'ers, I'm the short gal with the orange hat.

snapdragen

11-24-2007, 06:50 AM

Bruce - you are more than welcome to check in with us, let us know how you're doing. Tell us about riding in Iraq - I'm sure it's a whole lot different than any of us have ever done (aside from any others here that are currently serving in the armed forces).

Tater

11-24-2007, 07:09 AM

I thank you all for your kind words… I received a PM and was told my post was inappropriate, that this is a ladies forum, and I am not welcome, that I should have used the PM instead of posting. She also seemed offended that I included my picture saying this is not a dating service.

/rant on...You know, that's pretty pathetic and rude! I am stunned. Apparently whoever pm-ed you didn't take the time or care enough to read your original post; those who did know it isn't about a 'dating service', it is a grateful thank-you. I see nothing wrong at all with a post like that. Who cares if you are a guy? The post was still bike related! Jeeze, some people! /rant off

Thank you, Bruce for your service to our country. My husband spent time in the Middle East and my youngest brother goes over in less than a month. I hope that you and your fellow brothers and sisters in arms return home safe and sound.

wannaduacentury

11-24-2007, 07:23 AM

I thank you all for your kind words… I received a PM and was told my post was inappropriate, that this is a ladies forum, and I am not welcome, that I should have used the PM instead of posting. She also seemed offended that I included my picture saying this is not a dating service.

I just want to be clear; I have no ill intentions here, no hidden agendas, and meant absolutely no disrespect to any of you or your board. I only wanted to say thank you on thanks giving day.

Bruce, we know you're a great guy and the pic is fine-no different from us putting our personal bike riding pics for the avatars. Also Mr. Silver is a regular here, even though some folks poo poo'd that and he's still with us. So come by anytime and ride that bike. Jenn

mimitabby

11-24-2007, 07:31 AM

Bruce
I am so glad that you got your bike stuff. I cannot believe that some wingnut had the audacity to send you that PM.
Yes, last time I checked it was a free country; in part, thanks to folks like you.
Best of luck to you!

Aint Doody

11-24-2007, 07:42 AM

I haven't been here in a while either. I just wanna say--YEA, BRUCE!! We (the smart ones here) appreciate you. Stay safe.

salsabike

11-24-2007, 07:50 AM

Bruce, you are totally welcome here. Thanks for posting!

Whoever sent you that PM is speaking solely for herself, not for this board.

Xrayted

11-24-2007, 10:05 AM

Bruce, I am truly sorry that someone on this forum PM'd something like that to you. I just wanted to say, you are welcome here. :) As for pics, I thought it was wonderful of you to show us what you look like. It's always nice to put a face with a name. We would love to see some pics of you with the bike, too. (we love bike pics :o)

We do have a wonderful group of women on here who are (normally) very supportive of each other and any guests that frequent here. Please don't be put off by one azzhole who has a deep seated hatred of men in general. (Whom ever you are, instead of striking out at others for the reason of your lonely existence on this planet, maybe you need to look inside yourself for the cause. Of course, a boot up your arse wouldn't do you any harm either. :mad: :mad:)

Thank you, Bruce, for serving in our armed forces. I don't believe in the reason we are there, but I do back you soldiers up 100%. Please stay safe and don't forget to post a pic of you on the bike.

~X.

margo49

11-24-2007, 10:58 AM

happy birthday, salsa

uforgot

11-24-2007, 12:26 PM

Just wanted to add my good wishes to you! My son was over there last Christmas, and he is coming home for Christmas this year! Next year he will be over there again.:(

Thanks to you and all the others over there. Maybe the TE'er who pm'd you should consider the fact that she can say what she wants because you make our freedom possible!

Susan Otcenas

11-24-2007, 12:44 PM

Bruce,

My name is Susan Otcenas, and I am the owner of Team Estrogen, Inc. I'd like to make it VERY clear that you are quite welcome here. I'd also like to add my voice to the chorus that has apologized to you for the inappropriate and quite thoughtless PM you received.

This forum is dedicated to women's cycling. However, that doesn't mean that only women cyclists are welcome here. We have a very small minority of men on these forums who enjoy participating inthe lively discussions we have here. As long as posts are on-topic and not inappropriate, then they are welcome.

Regrettably, a small number of women here feel that men should not be permitted. That men somehow spoil the "girls locker room" feel that tends to develop, especially since many of the conversations are quite frank. This in and of itself tends to weed out most of the men who wander in here :D Nonetheless, we will not ask men to leave as long as they play nice.

Thank you for your service to the country.

Tailwinds,

Susan

maillotpois

11-24-2007, 12:57 PM

That's a great story - except the PM part. :eek:

My question is how the heck did you get a bike to IRAQ??? That's truly impressive! Ride safely and be careful over there.

Duck on Wheels

11-24-2007, 01:15 PM

Let me state up front that I oppose this war, but not the soldiers fighting it. I feel we were lied into this war. I feel it's not making us safer. But none of that is the soldiers' fault. They're just doing the best they can, serving their country bravely and loyally, even if that courage and loyalty isn't always being shown them in return. Given that assessment of the situation, I hope the bike helps you stay safe and sane over there. I hope you make it safely home, leaving the bike for the next person. Given my views, I hope that next person doesn't have to be a soldier. If only this war can be brought to an end soon, maybe you could leave the bike for an Iraqi kid. But I'll shut up on that issue now. We try to stear clear of politics here. What we share is an interest in biking; on political issues we're a random bunch who don't agree on much.

Meanwhile, I add myself to the list of those who welcome you to post here. Whoever took it upon herself to play "forum police" and tell you off ... well, shame on her. That PM was inappropriate; your post was not.

Zen

11-24-2007, 01:19 PM

Veronica

11-24-2007, 01:53 PM

I received a PM and was told my post was inappropriate, that this is a ladies forum, and I am not welcome, that I should have used the PM instead of posting.

Well I'm glad you posted. It always gladdens my heart to see people being nice to each other and I had no idea that plans were afoot to send a bike to Iraq. :) Yes, Trek, I do have a life and don't have time to read every post.

I'm pleased and proud that "my gang" did something so generous.

The PMer is entitled to her opinion and shouldn't get trashed on account of it, however.

V.

Mr. Bloom

11-24-2007, 01:53 PM

Zen, I think the world of you (even though we disagree on cell phone usage;) )

The issue to me in this is that a PM attack on anyone...particularly where it seems to presume a consensus of the entire group that doesn't exist...is inappropriate.

If a member has an issue with another person's membership, let's base it on what they do and what they say...and not their gender. If there's a problem, this is a well moderated group...and the moderators will intervene...and PM vigilante-ism is not needed.

Frankly, I hope that the PM in question simply confirmed that this wasn't a dating forum and that Bruce merely understood the meaning differently than intended...but I also know from experience that this may be wishful thinking...

Veronica

11-24-2007, 01:57 PM

...this wasn't a dating forum ...

It's not?!? But I tell people that I met SK, Jobob and aka_kim through an online dating service - TE! :D

V.

Trek420

11-24-2007, 01:58 PM

To post the content of a private message is very inappropriate.

Well, granted I have never quoted a PM here or on any board. Nor would I quote an e-mail without permission from the writer (I think I quoted an e-mail once with someone's ok)

But this is not dealing with the fact that if someone here feels that his post was not appropriate we do not "flame" here.

This is a "discussion forum" not a "flame board" or at least has been till now.

There are admins who are highly paid...or maybe not paid but anyway there are admins here. If one feels something is wrong flag the thread or post or person. Don't get a response? Well maybe the Admins feel there is nothin' wrong or maybe they are out on a ride. Meanwhile one is free to ignore the author, the post or even the whole thread.

But I hope it remains the norm here that we are a diverse and global community. We don't agree on much 'cept we loooooove cycling....and beer...and really good chocolate....

And I hope that remains our strength and the character of this board.

Here we find communality with people who in "real life" we would probably never meet whether separated by geography, race, class, politics, religion or simple riding ability and I could go on but here we find we are somehow the same.

As one who's faced discriminaton IRL I'm aware when we start tossing people out "my kind" are often the first to go.

Long live TE!!!

Veronica

11-24-2007, 02:01 PM

But I hope it remains the norm here that we are a diverse and global community. We don't agree on much 'cept we loooooove cycling....and beer...and really good chocolate....

Ahem... I don't like beer. Does this mean I have to leave TE?

V.

Trek420

11-24-2007, 02:05 PM

It's not?!? But I tell people that I met SK, Jobob and aka_kim through an online dating service - TE! :D

V.

Well you have been out to drinks and or dinner with many of us ;) :D And I slept with Bike Goddess for a week :eek: Calm down everyone, she was my tentmate on ALC ;)

Ahem... I don't like beer. Does this mean I have to leave TE?

V.

Only if you don't like chocolate. You like chocolate, right? Whew. thought I was going to have to report you.

Yes, Trek, I do have a life and don't have time to read every post.
V.

And you train, oh man you train. If I trained instead of posting .... oh heck, we all know I still couldn't do the CA Triple crown. :rolleyes:

This is one of the things I've loved about this board. There are people here who think I ride pretty well or know stuff and we've gotten to ride together and there are people here I'm just in awe of. If I'm out on a ride and see a Triple Crown jersey or Terrible Two I'm "oh, they are in a whole 'nother cycling world from me" But I've never found a more varied yet supportive board.

Flybye

11-24-2007, 02:07 PM

I don't see what purpose his post has served except as a springboard for (and I detest this word) cattiness, backbiting and insults.

He got his bike, he thanked the parties involved, that should have sufficed. To post the content of a private message is very inappropriate.

From the turn this thread has taken, it would appear that he has indeed crashed the party. That's a shame.

I totally disagree with you on this one.

He has just as much right to post the content of a private message as does he the right to post on any online forum, including this one.

He has as much right to post his thoughts and comments as you have to disagree with his post and display that feeling on the web for all to see.

Carry on with the exercise of your freedoms..........................

crazycanuck

11-24-2007, 02:09 PM

V..we like you...:cool:

i don't drink beer...

Oh and Zen..go and tape your mouth shut..
C

Duck on Wheels

11-24-2007, 02:09 PM

I'm sure there are others who will gladly consume your share of the beer. I learned years ago that I was always welcome at conference dinner tables in Norway as long as I accepted all drinks offered -- especially when I didn't drink them myself but left them for my tablemates. ;)

Veronica

11-24-2007, 02:13 PM

I don't really like wine either. BUT I do like chocolate. And I do like riding my bike. Two outta three ain't bad...

V.

I want you, I need you, but there ain't no way I'm ever gonna love you...

lph

11-24-2007, 02:22 PM

Well - to struggle back to the debate for a moment - I'd like to point out that his 2nd post didn't exactly "out" a PM. It wasn't quoted, and no names were given. What he did say was that he had been "accused" of seeing TE as a dating forum, and he wanted to make it absolutely clear that he had had good intentions, so that nobody else would misunderstand him. I'd probably do much the same in his case.

Veronica

11-24-2007, 02:26 PM

Awww... lph you're no fun. We'd moved on to chocolate and champagne. :p

V.

latelatebloomer

11-24-2007, 02:27 PM

Gotta say that I have thought it a sign of a very healthy community to have some male te posters who liked the positive, support tone of this board and whose participation was welcomed. And some issues have come up in which thoughtful male points of view have been really helpful. In my opinion, the PM that went to a thankful soldier should have gone to an administrator. In my other opinion, the only solution to unwanted free speech is MORE free speech. That's something I love about my country. Now I'm out of opinions (hah!)

Ride safe & sound, Bruce. Thanks for your service to our country. It was good of you to get in touch with us, and please stay in touch!

Trek420

11-24-2007, 02:29 PM

i don't drink beer...

You don't drink beer? Is that legal where you are? If the Quantas commercials and Priscilla Queen of the Desert are to be believed I thought it was required.

I like a good beer as much as the next gal but can't drink much. Which could also make me popular at conferences because I'll accept the drink, have a sip, that's about it.

Trek420

11-24-2007, 02:39 PM

Awww... lph you're no fun. We'd moved on to chocolate and champagne. :p

V.

she's new here, give her time ;) Hey, have you ever had strawberries marinated in something like a late Harvest Reisling (sp)? Yum. with or without chocolate.

LBTC

11-24-2007, 02:42 PM

Bruce, I'm glad there were TE girls involved in your bike delivery. Thank you for letting us know. Makes me proud. Please know that the PM you received was the voice of one, and she does not speak for us all.

Hugs and butterflies,
~T~

SouthernBelle

11-24-2007, 02:44 PM

Grey Goose martini with a twist please.

Oh, ya'll aren't taking orders :cool:

mtbdarby

11-24-2007, 03:05 PM

WHAT???? This isn't a dating service? Man, would that explain why I can't get a date....;)

Bruce, you can see from the headwind generated here why most men don't live in this community - we debate 'em to death with the best of intentions:p
Only the strong survive...

Many thanks to you and your crew over there and come home safely.

Oh yeah, and RIDE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT!

Trek420

11-24-2007, 03:05 PM

Grey Goose martini with a twist please.

Oh, ya'll aren't taking orders :cool:

No but if you're pouring make mine a double. :rolleyes:

shootingstar

11-24-2007, 03:08 PM

Instead of focusing on Bruce or a few men here ..since this is a women's cycling forum...(come on here, let's get real..), it is useful to occasionally reflect why predominantly female or male oriented forums do exist on particular interests...ie. cycling.

I'm trying to imagine my partner whom I've been with for past 16 years if he would enjoy being in this forum. He himself is a dedicated cyclist (he's logged 100,000 kms. over past 15 years. He tracks mileage in his spreadsheet), done extensive touring trips and is highly active in the cycling advocacy work here in Vancouver (and previously in Toronto where we lived).

HIs interest is much more into political lobbying, participation in hands-on input in improving technical design of roads, facilities and transporatation options which include cyclists. I doubt this forum would hold his interest for long, because that's not where his real learning interest in cycling lies.

On the other hand he is like myself, loves to learn more about cycling in general.

I show him some of the threads over the past few years where women and men cyclists have responded since he belongs to different cycling listservs and forums. He welcomes learning more and reverse is true.

I also was involved in a women's cycling group in Toronto for 5 years. several of the organizers were well-known in cycling circles and we did joint work with other groups for certain events, etc.

Some women for whatever reason, naturally hang back, as soon as a guy starts speaking/taking over the floor. And for a women's cycling group/forum to work well which would also address unfettered discussion specifically related to women's health issues and sports performance, it's probably best that only a few men hang out.

I belong to another cycling forum that is predominantly male --probably at least 70%. For past few years. The tone is quite different, more horsing around and in your face insulting, no mincing of opinions. You know, more like men are really often when they hang out in groups.

It's gotten to a point where it's just...well, to me ..not productive, not much fun anymore.

this is why I'm here now. I was aware of this forum since its inception but didn't get around to joining.

Yea, gotta feed my Internet addictions. :p

crazycanuck

11-24-2007, 03:11 PM

Trek..i think it's safe :rolleyes: I've never been a beer etc person..I'm the designated thinker/driver...

C

Mr. Bloom

11-24-2007, 03:18 PM

Only if you don't like chocolate. You like chocolate, right? Whew. thought I was going to have to report you.

I bought a Godiva Milk Chocolate at Macy's (along with 5 Waterford Crystal ornaments) while Silver was getting her hair naturalized...I'm sure this qualifies me for membership:cool: :p

He has just as much right to post the content of a private message as does he the right to post on any online forum, including this one.

I agree on this. If someone doesn't want to "see it in writing", then they shouldn't "put it in writing"....:rolleyes:

Rest assured, if someone sends me a highly offensive PM, I have no problem with the possibility of posting it out in the 'light of day'

...but then, as a married man on a women's forum, I make it a point of avoiding the use of PMs ;)

lph

11-24-2007, 03:19 PM

she's new here, give her time ;)

Compared to who - you? ;) :D

Chocolate's good. Especially the 86% stuff I keep stashed in my drawer at work. Wine not so good. Beer good. Champagne excellent. whee, I'm beginning to look forward to Christmas parties...

mimitabby

11-24-2007, 03:45 PM

Trek..i think it's safe :rolleyes: I've never been a beer etc person..I'm the designated thinker/driver...

C

me too, CC - But i am BIG on chocolate

This thread has certainly taken on a life of its own. I think PM's can be quoted. Is there a LAW that says you can't??
I think men should be able to post here. Now hanging here is another thing entirely, my DH acts like I'm asking him to wear makeup whenever I suggest he read a post on here.
But men continue to ADD to this forum, in a small way; and i think that's the way it should be.
Now this poor guy, all HE was doing was thanking us!!!!
I have a feeling that he doesn't have a thin skin though, so we shouldn't be so worried about one
person with issues spoiling his day..

shootingstar

11-24-2007, 03:56 PM

me too, CC - Now hanging here is another thing entirely, my DH acts like I'm asking him to wear makeup whenever I suggest he read a post on here.
But men continue to ADD to this forum, in a small way; and i think that's the way it should be...

Interesting that your DH feels slightly uncomfortable or not in his zone. It's not the same with my partner. He views it as all good learning: ie. the more people turn to cycling, the better.

I should add that my partner belongs in cycling advocacy groups where there are some fairly active, experienced and outspoken female cyclists. These women also have done cross-country touring in CAnada/U.S. and randoneurring. Not just cycling advocacy talk.

makbike

11-24-2007, 04:01 PM

Gosh, I don't drink alcohol either but I do consume a lot of chocolate to make up for my lack of drinking. Can I please stay? Please, please, please let me stay!

Bruce, enjoy the bike, stay safe and return to those who love you. I too wish to thank you for your service. God Speed, Bruce!

silver

11-24-2007, 04:30 PM

Bruce, thank you for your service to our country. I hope that you enjoy the bike and please do tell us about your riding! I especially like hearing about how many miles you have ridden. ;) (that's a joke because I like to ride lots of miles and pretend like that's the most important thing in the world)

silver

well, yes, this is still a woman's forum. Where else would you hear mention of me getting my hair dyed. I'm very upset about it. the blonde is gone and I've gone back to natural mouse brown. It was required to cover up the lovely sick green that occurred after 3 years of abuse trying to be the blonde that I'm not, whilst triathlon training. she also had t cut about 4 more inches to get to healthy hair. (there that should scare away most men)

so, it's been very nice having mr. here. you ladies have really helped us through some issues where he didn't see my/the woman's point of view. And we have made some lovely friends.

Hmmm.....I don't drink. I will eat chocolate. I drool over bicycles. Is that good enough?

Veronica

11-24-2007, 04:38 PM

Good enough for my sward. :D Silver did you dye your superciliums too?

I'd lief see less pother about men myself.

V.

Trek420

11-24-2007, 04:49 PM

Good enough for my sward. :D Silver did you dye your superciliums too?

I'd lief see less pother about men myself.

V.

OK, V, you've been on www.freerice.com again. ;) :rolleyes:

Bruce, my LBS shop owner asks is there anything else you need?

silver

11-24-2007, 04:50 PM

Good enough for my sward. :D Silver did you dye your superciliums too?

I'd lief see less pother about men myself.

V.

no, but i'd never bleached them in the first place. they weren't too dark to start with.

I've yet to decypher the next comment, so feel free to translate for me. ;)

Veronica

11-24-2007, 04:57 PM

lief - gladly
pother - commotion

I'm glad to see that any attempts at comstockery (just got this word!) have been put to rest.

It's a shame that natation has made you have to go back to fuscous hair Silver. But I bet Mr. still thinks you're fulgurant!

I kind of wonder about the actual usage of those last two. I bet fulgurant actually only applies to shiny objects, not people.

V.

Mr. Bloom

11-24-2007, 05:06 PM

I bet Mr. still thinks you're fulgurant!

Yep, I cover my eyes each time her fulgarantly fuscous locks enter the room:eek: :eek:

I guess, she'll have to stop natating!

silver

11-24-2007, 05:07 PM

fuscous

I'm going to use that next time I get my driver's license. :D :D :D

LOL!!!

But the natation experience has added so much to my quest for fitness.

Mr. Bloom

11-24-2007, 05:10 PM

If this doesn't scare Bruce away, nothing will!

RoadRaven

11-24-2007, 05:11 PM

Awww... lph you're no fun. We'd moved on to chocolate and champagne. :p

V.

But I don't like beer or champagne!!!!

I liked the fact that 2 TE-ers had been so generous and the fact that Bruce is a guy was kind've incidental! Hope you are following this Bruce and realise that we liked hearing about such a fabulous story
:)

Well... I'm off to steal everyone else's chocolate while they have their beer and champers...

Veronica

11-24-2007, 05:25 PM

Well... I'm off to steal everyone else's chocolate while they have their beer and champers...

That could cause some people to get out their kris or poinard, since stealing chocolate is rather flagitous and would cause a bouleversment.

V.

Mr. Bloom

11-24-2007, 05:32 PM

I am not bibulous. :D But I do have a proclivity to disport with words.

V.
I felt compelled to paste this from another thread so the world would know and would not doubt her sobriety:D

fastdogs

11-24-2007, 05:57 PM

I, for one, hope to see some photos of the bike being ridden over there! I hate that someone felt they had to try to make you feel unwelcome. You know what you are there for, no matter what flack you get from civilians and media.
I don't mind if private messages are posted (and that wasn't done in this case anyway), if the pm'er was ashamed of her post, she shouldn't have sent it in the first place. I'm not sure why anyone feels his post was unecessary anyway- I thought it was great, although I don't like that there are the snarky weasely people out there who'd try to shut it down. If it somehow offends you, too bad, I enjoyed it (and several others too)and want to know more and see more photos.
vickie
SFC, retired

bmccasland

11-24-2007, 07:05 PM

Bruce - Welcome aboard (oooh, that's navy. sorry)! ;)

When you get the chance, and the hair color discussion didn't scare you off, we'd like bike pics. Please?

And how many duffle bags did it take to get the bike to the big sandbox?

Essayons!

Trek420

11-24-2007, 07:19 PM

Bruce - Welcome aboard (oooh, that's navy. sorry)! ;)

Oooh, that reminds me, Bruce the water bottles are from my boss. She's retired Navy. ;) Hope you don't mind. :p

MSG Hall

11-25-2007, 12:56 AM

Thank you all very much! I mean that. I am not thin skinned, but my original intention was just to thank all of you who were so generous to me. I may be back and post some pictures and give some update as many of you have requested, but I will not be “a regular” here.

I have a beautiful bride of 22 years, and we are truly happy, and two wonderful intelligent daughters (one of whom rides quite avidly), they are my life. I get all the estrogen I need at home.

My intentions were and are honorable. I thank you all.

Bruce

Trek420

11-25-2007, 06:56 AM

I get all the estrogen I need at home.
Bruce

Oh c'mon. Who could ever have too much of us? :confused: All women without exception are wonderful, well behaved and tactful, thoughtful, wise, considerate, kind and perfect in every way. How could you ever have too much estrogen around? :rolleyes: ;) :p

Yeah right. :rolleyes: Never mind.

I shared the idea for this with a friend who's a Col. in the Green Beret. Yes, the lefty liberal knows and likes a Green Beret Col. :rolleyes: Anyway he said on his first tours (he's been at least twice) he jogged daily "in the walls" till a bullet landed right in front of his foot. Then he decided he did not need to jog.

But then he's a Col. so I don't know if they have to keep in shape? And he's only a Green Beret :rolleyes: so he stayed indoors :p :cool: :p ;)

So let's hear about the rides, and I hope you'll invite your daughter on the board. We're nice, really!!

tygab

11-25-2007, 08:34 AM

Thank you for your service, MSG! I work with the armed forces, people who are coming and going to your area of the world regularly. I wish you a safe and speedy return. I know the job people are trying to do there is a tough one. In the meanwhile, enjoy the bike goods the two here were so kind to send you...

-T

Trek420

11-25-2007, 09:18 AM

In the meanwhile, enjoy the bike goods the two here were so kind to send you...

-T

It was a team effort. Not just Southernbelle and me. I hope he enjoys the relaxation and peace that a ride brings and that soon he's safely home to his family and for rides with his daughter.

But I'm finding he's concerned for his guys (guys in the non gender specific sense of the word "guys" :cool: ) as there are a few over there who ride or would like to for rest/relaxation. They are making do with spare parts from Box Store bikes when it comes to repair. How do you get a Walm@rt bike over there? :eek: and one floor pump and few patch kits though S'belle sent an adapter and I think I sent patch kits along ....

My LBS owner asked me if there's anything else they need so Bruce, more help is on the way :) and maybe some TE'ers will join in. I realize there are many cyclists in need of help everywhere and everyday including sometimes moi/myself. I just think there's not enough done for our veterans.

kelownagirl

11-25-2007, 09:42 AM

Perhaps a call in to one of the major bike manufacturers would be helpful? I'm sure they would be willing to send over a couple of bikes for the boys.

Trek420

11-25-2007, 12:32 PM

Perhaps a call in to one of the major bike manufacturers would be helpful? I'm sure they would be willing to send over a couple of bikes for the boys.

Perhaps, but since I don't have those kinda contacts I've just been in kahoots with my LBS.

Mr. Bloom

11-25-2007, 03:50 PM

and maybe some TE'ers will join in

PM Silver and me and let us know how we can help... I've emailed my LBS to see if they have a decent MTB they are willing to donate/discount...maybe a good condition/quality used one...

bikerchick68

11-29-2007, 12:19 PM

Bruce,

It's been a few months since I logged in and posted here, but your post induced me to get on the boards again. I want to say THANK YOU for being there so that we here don't have to be. What you do ensures that I can ride when I want, speak how I choose, and put a Christmas tree up in my home because it makes me happy to. Those are all privileges we should remember not to take for granted. Your service is the best gift any of us can receive.

I hope the bike brings you a sense of normalcy and some stress relief.

Thanks to Trek420 and Southernbelle too... very, very cool of you to act on this request.

teigyr

11-29-2007, 04:48 PM

Wow...simply wow.

I read Bruce's initial post and was very moved by it. I didn't have time to respond but told DH about it and was so impressed both by Bruce's heartfelt thanks and by the fact that the TE people are so freakin' wonderful. The picture made a difference but it was positive. The internet is so anonymous and to see the picture and read the words made Bruce far more of a person. I never saw it as anything other than someone saying thanks.

I've never viewed this or any other special interest site as dating fodder but then again I've seen some wonderful couples grow from common interests :p I have met some fantastic people. I have PM'd people with no ulterior motive other than to ask questions or thank people. I am also one of those who sometimes thinks "if I wanted the male perspective, I would've asked a mixed gender board..." and while I like the guys here, I'm not always too comfortable with it, especially for *all* subject matter.

That all being said though, I saw nothing ulterior or untoward in Bruce's post.

Bruce, thank you for serving and you made me realize that I should be doing more to help our people away from home. Take care and I think you were perfectly ok in posting what you posted. You are more than welcome here.

Trek420

11-29-2007, 07:29 PM

I am also one of those who sometimes thinks "if I wanted the male perspective, I would've asked a mixed gender board..."

Right, and I don't see bikejournal etc doing anything for our Baghdad Cycling Club :rolleyes: ;) :cool:

salsabike

11-29-2007, 08:02 PM

Trek, if there is a way some of can can contribute to a single effort, that would be nice. It's not clear to me whether your LBS is continuing to do more, that we could help pay for, or not. Can you let us know about that?

Trek420

11-29-2007, 08:16 PM

Our Baghdad Cycling club (jerseys? just kidding) have been doing their own repairs and what I hear is they were sharing one floor pump.

Talked to my LBS and understand he is sending at least another floor pump also patch kits. I don't want to ask how many or what kind, whatever he does is great. :D

I'm impressed that Bruce wants to make sure that when he's safely home others still there may have what they need to ride. He's not one to say "hey, I want a bike for me" Maybe someday they'll all be safely home and can leave the bike stuff to a kid?

SouthernBelle has her finger on the pulse of what he/they may need.

Silver and Mr. Silver are working on some stuff, talk to them. That way he does not end up with 5 boxes of spokewrenches and no spokes or something like that ;-)

salsabike

11-29-2007, 08:53 PM

MSG Hall

12-02-2007, 02:11 AM

Well I took my first reel ride today. I just got in from around 10 miles of hard riding in the dirt gravel and rock. Let me tell you, my chest is heaving the sweat is dripping, my heart is pounding my lungs burn and I can hardly walk my legs are so week… I FEEL GREAT!!

I will be having my wife send me another seat. I don’t know if it’s the seat that is way to hard, or my *** that’s way too soft, but something’s gotta give here.

No pictures today, I went out alone (I’m not supposed to do that) but I just had to get out there and ride!

Thank you all!!!

makbike

12-02-2007, 04:58 AM

Bruce,

Sounds like you had a great ride. Enjoy yourself and be careful.

Trek420

12-02-2007, 06:00 AM

Bruce,

It sounds like you had a great ride. Enjoy the rides and you'll feel like your ol' racer self soon. :D

I was at my LBS yesterday and shop owner Chris says 2 floor pumps and a bunch of patch kits will soon be there. We understand that our adopted Baghdad Cycling club has one floor pump.

Enjoy yourself and be careful :cool:

salsabike

12-02-2007, 08:23 AM

Otherwise, Bruce says they're set for now for bike stuff. But he knows "who you gonna call" if he/they need more.

Trek420

12-25-2007, 06:56 AM

** bump **

Bruce and our Baghdad cycling club :)

Merry Christmas!

Trek420

05-24-2008, 07:05 AM

** bump once more **

I have good news from MSG Hall. Quarterly I've been sending my Bicycling mags to his "Baghdad bike team."

He'll be going home for good in late July. :D :D :D

He said he's looking forward to going bike shopping with his daughter and get her a new bike. She rides a Diamond Back 'round college which was state o' the art a decade ago. The family plans camping trips, ride some fire roads in the mountains.

So she'll want something that will manage light off road but also tool around campus.

He sends thanks to the group for all we've done.