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michelem
07-19-2007, 08:54 AM
I apologize in advance for the gross topic, but I'm wondering if anyone else has dealt with this and if so how did you cure it?

I've always had digestive problems while running - this is part of the reason I like cycling so much more! The only time I don't have problems is if I haven't eaten anything or taken in much fluid the day of the run, and if I haven't eaten much in the days prior. Obviously, this is not good from the fueling aspect of things. Now that I am cycling and about to embark for 1/2 marathon training, I can't get away with skimping on the nutrition like that.

So, yesterday was my first run in well over a month. I ate hot cereal in the morning and pooped about 30 minutes later. Ate chicken and beef at lunch and again pooped about 30 minutes later. About 2 hrs. prior to my run (jog) I ate two rice cakes with cashew/macadamia nut butter and fruit spread. Right before heading out I pooped again. Set out on my jog. About a mile into it, had that old, familiar feeling of needing to poop! Unfortunately, there were no potty stops along my route and I was afraid to go in the bushes (poison ivy and snakes). I kept going and as the run wore on felt as though I might have gone a bit in my underwear - yuck! About one hour and six miles later I was certain of this. I walked in my front door and could smell it - UGH!

Went into the bathroom and pulled down my shorts to find a good amount of bloody diarrhea. Sat on the toilet and more blood came out. Bagged up the underwear in a ziploc, took a shower, and headed to Urgent Care. As they were about to close, they took a CBC blood draw and prescribed two heavy-duty antibiotics (Cipro and Flagyl) and told me to follow up with my primary doc today. I have an appointment later this morning. In the meantime, I had a small, solid poop this morning with what appeared to be a blood clot (about a 1/4 of the size of the poop) stuck to it. Other than that, I didn't go again during the night or this morning.

So, I am freaking out here because the symptoms that got my aunt in the hospital on Thanksgiving 2005 was bloody stool and vomiting blood. The next day she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer that had speread to her liver and she died in early February 2006.

However, a Google search last night revealed that diarrhea and bloody diarrhea is an occurance in distance runners. Come on though, six miles is not enough to be considered "distance" training is it?

Any words of wisdom are greatly appreciated. Thanks for reading.

mimitabby
07-19-2007, 09:08 AM
Here's a layman's opinion. I think 6 miles is definitely distance training. Most people would fall over after running 1 mile. 6 miles is REALLY hard work.

two; running is one of the most stressful forms of exercise there is. When your body is stressed, it goes into EVACUATE mode. and so your body does that; your intestines want to empty and if you really get going, you're going to vomit because you're carrying extra weight in that full stomach. Those are responses that echo the deep deep past of our genetic programming.

Having said that; go to the doctor. i don't like the sound of this blood stuff.
Urgent care is great; but now go to an Internist and get more than symptoms treated. good luck.

Tri Girl
07-19-2007, 10:21 AM
I'm sorry about your situation- not very fun.
OK- I don't have personal experience with this, but my running partner does. She basically has the same symptoms you had. It'll hit her very suddenly, and if she doesn't go right then- well... it's coming no matter what. :(
After having testing done and nothing serious being wrong- she's figured out that it's the pavement that kills her intestinal system. She runs ultra-marathons on trails, but can't even run 3 miles on pavement without serious potty problems. On soft surfaces she experiences nothing, but pavement has her bleeding and in dreadful intestinal distress.
If all the tests come back OK and there's nothing seriously wrong- then maybe it's a running surface issue. ????? Just guessing here as that's the case for my friend.

Hope you get it resolved soon!

Dianyla
07-19-2007, 12:38 PM
Runners trots is very common, but I'd be very concerned about the bloody diarrhea. Definitely get that checked out to make sure there is no pathology there. Also, make sure to eat lots of yogurt or take probiotics once you're done with the course of antibiotics to rebalance your body's flora.

If it turns out to be that you just always get bloody diarrhea as a result of running... well, I'm not sure how much it's worth to you to do that kind of exercise. KWIM?

LBTC
07-19-2007, 12:44 PM
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That sounds awful, but thank you for posting for us. You're talking about things that many don't, so talking about it is good!

Intestinal problems can be caused by soooooo many things, so don't get worried about cancer, okay? Get tests done by your doc and specialists. Rule out the scary stuff first, then look for other causes.

I've been dealing with some intenstinal problems myself for over a year. The docs think it is Crohn's, but too mild to treat (the drugs are really toxic), which has forced me to see other health care professionals. I'm eating gluten-free, dairy-free, pork-free, limited sugar, corn, etc. (most of the time this is not as hard as it sounds)

I've also seen and had success with an integrated massage therapist (an osteopath would know the same stuff, I think), a naturopathic practitioner, an acupuncturist (fantastic!!), and a chiropractor. The combination is working well for me. Contrast that with the first 10 months of symptoms under doctors' care and making no progress, the alternative methods my help more than you know.

What's the cause of my problems? I should have more definitive answer when I am next tested by the NP. We are suspecting parasite, virus and/or fungus.

Ask around in your area. You may have good friends who can recommend exactly the right person to see. And it may not be who or the type of person you expect, but may be perfect for you!

Sending butterflies to help you feel well and healthy, and to be sure that the professionals find answers that are easy for you to manage.

Hugs,
~T~

michelem
07-19-2007, 02:26 PM
Thank you all so much for your kind words of encouragement. Saw my pcp and she pulled some strings to get me in to see a gastroenterologist tomorrow. My bloodwork came back with an elevated wbc (last two blood draws I've had, my wbc was low so this is not normal for me). She said this might indicate infection, in which case it will be treated with the antibiotics I'm on. However, I don't have a fever or anything else that indicates infection so . . .

I suppose I'll find out more tomorrow. Hopefully I don't have to get a colonoscopy! :eek:

Again, I so appreciate your kind words. You've helped calm my fears for the time being. :o

Zen
07-19-2007, 05:10 PM
Even if you do have to have a colonoscopy, it's no big deal. I've had that procedure twice, the worst part is the preparation the day before.

anakiwa
07-19-2007, 05:15 PM
This sort of thing is extremely common with running- I've had many experiences running for the woods on longer more strenuous runs. I've never had bleeding, but I know other people who have.

That said, there are a number of other problems that can cause blood in the stool and it's a very good idea to get checked out to make sure there isn't something more serious going on.

I'm confused though- are you saying your problems start before you are actually running? This might imply something else is going on as well. Before races my nerves get going and I'm in the bathroom several times (I actually find it kind of useful to empty out), but in general you can't blame the running entirely if it starts before you run. Irritable bowel could make you need to go more frequently but it shouldn't cause bleeding. There are some other colon conditions (Crohn's, ulcerative colitis etc) that could do this as well.

If we assume you get checked out and everything is okay and it's just related to running- here's what's worked in marathons for me:
-Hydration
-Salt tablets (I'm currently using lava salts)
-Pepto- bismol (I've known other people who use Immodium, but Pepto seems to work better for me)
-Avoid fiber (salad etc) the night before

Basically on an intense run, most of the available blood flow is going to the legs. The colon isn't getting it's share and it gets irritable (or in some cases down-right angry). Avoidance of dehydration will help keep from aggravating the problem.

I hope everything works out okay!

LBTC
07-19-2007, 05:19 PM
Zen is right. The colonoscopy isn't terribly pleasant, but it sure is a good thing to have to rule out some pretty scary things :eek: The prep was uncomfortable, but there's a thread here somewhere with some excellent tips, should you need to check it out. Some people have a bit more discomfort after than others...I'm quite a wimp and two days later I don't think I could tell that anything had happened!

You do want to know what's going on, and we're here to help any way we can.

Hugs and comforting and healing butterflies,
~T~

michelem
07-20-2007, 12:21 PM
Colonoscopy is scheduled for next Wednesday at 8am. I'll check out the thread - thanks for the tip!

We have a Tahoe ride scheduled for that Saturday . . . hopefully I'll be recovered enough to participate! The doc seemed to think it would be okay as long as they don't find anything during the test (he said that if he finds anything, such as polyps, he'll go ahead and remove it/them right then and there, which will add to recovery time). I'm not looking forward to the prep. I remember having to take mag-citrate for something or other way back in jr. high and I couldn't keep it down! This time I'll be using phospho-citrate, so hopefully I tolerate that better.

Thanks again for everything - especially the hugs. :)

LBTC
07-20-2007, 12:36 PM
I've asked the butterflies to be there for you on Wednesday morning. You will be fine. Provided the procedure is unremarkable, as the docs say, you'll be able to ride by Saturday for sure. Be easy on yourself no matter what, though. No pain, no gain is a lie. :)

Hugs and butterflies,
~T~

michelem
07-20-2007, 12:59 PM
LBTC - I appreciate the butterflies. :)

Can you point me in the right direction for the prep thread? I'm not finding it . . . :confused:

LBTC
07-20-2007, 01:15 PM
Hi, Michele

This is one:

http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=13933&highlight=crohn%27s

There may have been another, but I'd better get back to work now.

Hugs,
~T~

michelem
07-20-2007, 11:22 PM
Thanks so much. I tried to call the doc to see about getting an rx for the pills (rather than risk vomiting from the phospho-soda), but I guess the office closed up shop early for the weekend. I'll try again on Monday. Had it not been for that thread, I would not have known there was an option! Thanks again. :)

ClockworkOrange
07-21-2007, 03:22 AM
Hi there

You poor thing, I think I will send you some moths, suspect you will have enough butterflies.............:rolleyes:

At least you are having it diagnosed properly.

As somebody else said, it is so good that you are able to discuss it here.

Keep us posted and good luck.

Sally

uk elephant
07-21-2007, 05:16 AM
When my Crohn's was more active, I had the same problem and gave up running for several years. I would try heading out and after half a block I would have to turn around and go home to the toilet. Now with my Crohn's under control (with meds and live yogurt), I'm much better and back to running 3-5 mile runs! Here's hoping your colonoscopy goes well (it's uncomfortable, but not too bad) and that nothing serious turns up so you can start healing and finding solutions that work!

michelem
07-22-2007, 01:16 AM
Thanks for more encouragement (and moths, too!). No more diarrhea since Wednesday night - now I am dealing with a distended tummy that makes me look like I'm pregnant! Feeling nauseous too, but not sure if that is due to the antibiotics. One side effect of the Flagyl is a nasty, metallic taste in my mouth. All of the docs have said that an infection is the best-case scenario because the antibiotics will take care of it and that will be that. I sure wish they could have sent my "sample" to a lab to find out without doing the colonoscopy. Sigh . . . It's good to hear that others have gone through this test and survived though. I'm getting nervous about the prep - do I basically need to stay camped out on the toilet the night before the test? How fast does the stuff take effect? My paper work says to take the first dose of phospho-soda between 3pm and 6pm and the last dose 3 hours before the colonoscopy (scheduled for 8am). I sure don't want to lose control of my bowels at work or in the car! :eek:

LBTC
07-22-2007, 01:44 AM
Hi, Michele

I had intended to work the morning before I drank the prep, which I was to do at lunch time, then again around 9pm.

I also had to be on a clear fluid diet for 2 days prior to drinking the prep. I'm an eater. That pretty much wiped me out so I stayed home the day of the prep, thereby missing 2 days of work in a row. Which is fine with them. Anyway, I think it was an hour or longer before the prep started to take effect, but, personally, I was not going to risk it. I would take the time off work to go through this.

I did sleep in the spare room, beside the spare bath. I did manage to sleep for several hours at a time - I think I was up 2 or 3 times through the night. It wasn't all that bad, I am usually up once every night anyway.

The puffs facial tissue instead of toilet tissue was definitely the way to go. Don't wait until things get tender. Use it right off the bat and you may avoid some of the discomfort.

Do you have to change your diet for a few days?

You'll be fine. The butterflies and moths will be there to help.

Hugs,
~T~

nancielle
07-22-2007, 06:50 AM
I would take the time off work to go through this.

I second this suggestion. A few years ago I had to have surgery and had to ingest Senna the day before, starting an hour after I got up. I thought I'd at least get in a 1/2 day of work. Uh, no :eek: . I had to leave 45 minutes after getting there. Could only do clear liquids as well. I remember feeling more fatigued than anything else. Take the day off and take care of yourself. Good luck.

Tuckervill
07-22-2007, 07:21 AM
I third the suggestion to take the day off. My husband has regular scopes, and he always takes off work for the prep. This from a person who doesn't take off work for anything else--so schedule the day off. You'll be glad you did!

Karen

Blueberry
07-22-2007, 07:58 AM
The puffs facial tissue instead of toilet tissue was definitely the way to go. Don't wait until things get tender. Use it right off the bat and you may avoid some of the discomfort.


Hugs to you all - I hope this isn't anywhere in my near future:)

I do have what (I hope) will be a helpful suggestion. I use Cottonelle (sp?) wipes - and find them particularly helpful with an upset tummy. They're soft and make sure there isn't any *ahem* residue left to irritate.

Take care and good luck!

CA

Kitsune06
07-22-2007, 05:53 PM
I 2nd the cottonelle. very good for if you have unfortunate bouts with IBS, too...

michelem
07-22-2007, 07:32 PM
Oh boy. Good to know that I should take some time off the day before for the prep. I did some more reading after seeing your comments, and it appears as though the phospho-soda may take effect in as fast as 30 minutes! So, looks like I'll take that afternoon off and stay close to the toilet.

I'm supposed to be eating low residue through tomorrow. Enema tomorrow (Monday) evening. Clear liquids after that (7pm Monday until after procedure on Wednesday). Start the phospho-soda around 3pm or 4pm on Tuesday. 2d dose around 3am or 4am Wednesday morning. Procedure scheduled for 8am.

I am really getting nervous about drinking the phospho-soda. I am so afraid of uncontrollable vomiting! I am going to call first thing tomorrow morning and ask about the pill form.

I'll make sure to stock up on Puffs or Cottonelle wipes!

LBTC
07-22-2007, 07:44 PM
I'll make sure to stock up on Puffs or Cottonelle wipes!

Or both. Variety is the spice of life.

Michele, you will do fine. Doesn't hurt to ask for the pill, though.

Hugs,
~T~

Aggie_Ama
07-23-2007, 01:48 PM
((Hugs)) My husband has Crohn's and I know how frightening it was for him to have many of the same symptoms you are having and not have a clue why. And he said Flagyl is pretty freaking nasty (metallic taste).

Definitely take the day before off, get those aloe wipes. For him the soda pretty much worked quick and then he was just weak all evening. The positive side? When my husband had one he was so loopy afterwards that he just took a long nap. His stomach had been giving him so many problems he hadn't slept more than three hours at a time. He still tells everyone the day of napping is the best part of the colonoscopy.

rocknrollgirl
07-23-2007, 04:08 PM
The prep is the tough part. I had both ends scoped last fall. TAKE OFF....no way you can work through that....

AND...

We will all send good karma your way. I sure hope it is a big fat nothing....darn pesky intestines...

Ruth

michelem
07-24-2007, 07:03 PM
Okay, I'm starting to freak out here. I drank the first bottle of phospho-soda at 2pm and NOTHING has happened! I don't even have a slight urge to go. I called the drs. office a little bit before 5pm, but they had already forwarded the phones to the after-hours service. I left a message, and the on-call dr. called me back about an hour ago. He just said that as long as I follow all the directions (which I have), that's all I can do. If I don't go before the test tomorrow morning, they will have to find an alternative to clean me out and reschedule the test. What the he!!? I already took today off of work and drank that nasty stuff (I'm supposed to drink it again 3 hours before the test - ha! I'll be drinking it well before that, because if it already hasn't worked in 5 hrs. then it's certainly not going to work in 3!).

Any suggestions??? I drank the phospho-soda (lemon-ginger flavored) in 24 oz. of lemon flavored gatorade (directions said 3 - 8 oz. glasses of liquid). Since then I've had another 32 oz. of water - the instructions said at least another 24 oz. over the 6 hours before bed. AAARGH!!!

Anyone??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Dianyla
07-24-2007, 07:10 PM
Okay, I'm starting to freak out here. I drank the first bottle of phospho-soda at 2pm and NOTHING has happened!
Just you wait.... :eek:

michelem
07-24-2007, 07:44 PM
Well, I hope so. 5.5 hours seems like an awful long time when the instructions said it would start to work in as soon as 30 minutes. :(

michelem
07-25-2007, 04:49 AM
Well, here it is at 4am . . .

I finally went a small amount after about 7 hours of waiting. I went to bed at about 9:30pm and got back up at midnight to start phase 2. The instructions said 3 hours before test, but I wanted to make sure this worked BEFORE the test! Now, here it as at 4:30am and I'm starting to go a bit more. Nothing of much note though, and it certainly ain't clear!

So, let's hope they can still do the test. I do NOT want to have to reschedule after all of this! Bleh . . .

uk elephant
07-25-2007, 05:09 AM
In my experience the first batch doesn't really do much. Then about an hour after the second batch, things really start to move. Then if I drink enough water, it really cleans things out. It never comes out totally clear, but usually works pretty good anyway. Try not to worry and try to get a bit of rest when you can! All this stress and emptying is exhausting!

ClockworkOrange
07-25-2007, 11:00 AM
Still thinking of you, sending you a real big moth over from England.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/Missbe/2.gif

I expect the most difficult thing is doing what you are told.........:p

Sally

michelem
07-25-2007, 06:21 PM
Well, the test is over and I am home recovering. Got home around 11am and slept 'til 5pm. I still feel energy-less. Bleh.

Had to have an enema and then get "sucked out" before the procedure because the phospho-soda didn't get me "clear." Yuck.

So, now for the results. No polyps, tumors, or ulcers, so that is good. The doc's preliminary thoughts are that it was one of two things:

(a) intestinal infection
(b) ischemic colitis

If (a), then antibiotics will resolve it and I shouldn't have anymore problems. If (b), I will likely know on my next longish run.

Here is some info on GI bleeding and running:

GI Symptoms
Exercise, especially running, can also be a stress test for the colon. Indeed, GI problems are common among athletes and active people (7,8). Exercise-related problems include upper-GI symptoms such as nausea, bloating, and acid reflux as well as lower-GI symptoms such as cramping, diarrhea, and even rectal bleeding.

GI bleeding, which occurs notably in distance runners or triathletes, stems from the upper or lower GI tract and ranges from occult and trivial to overt and grave (9). Ischemic colitis, often heralded by lower abdominal cramping and bloody diarrhea, is perhaps the most ominous GI complication of endurance racing. This can be considered an "athletic" cause of colitis because it likely results from dehydration and blood diversion from the gut to working muscles. At its worst, ischemic colitis can require subtotal colectomy, as in a female distance runner (10) and in two elite triathletes (one female, one male) in the Ironman Triathlon Championship.

Bloody diarrhea, of course, can also be from nonathletic causes, as in a female swimmer and male baseball pitcher who had bloody diarrhea from ulcerative colitis (8). Vigorous exercise can also be a "colonic stress test" that unveils infectious diarrhea. Examples are an 8-year-old boy who developed diarrhea only when playing basketball and was found to have giardiasis (11), and a 48-year-old man who for 4 months had diarrhea mainly during distance running and eventually was found to have intestinal amebiasis (12).

TAKE-HOME MESSAGE. By stressing the GI tract, exercise—especially distance running—can unmask diverse conditions. Usually, these are just annoying manifestations of disrupted physiology (ie, nausea, bloating, belching). Occasionally, however, cramping and diarrhea can herald serious colitis, be it infectious, inflammatory, or ischemic.

7. Green GA: Exercise-induced gastrointestinal symptoms: a case-oriented approach. Phys Sportsmed 1993;21(10):60-70

8. Putukian M: Don't miss gastrointestinal disorders in athletes. Phys Sportsmed 1997;25(11):80-94

9. Eichner ER: Gastrointestinal bleeding in athletes. Phys Sportsmed 1989;17(5):128-140

10. Beaumont AC, Teare JP: Subtotal colectomy following marathon running in a female patient. J R Soc Med 1991;84(7):439-440

11. Tudor RB: Giardiasis and exercise-induced diarrhea (letter). N Engl J Med 1978;299(26):1471-1472

12. Swain RA: Exercise-induced diarrhea: when to wonder. Med Sci Sports Exerc 1994;26(5):523-526



I can see how the ischemic colitis makes sense as that evening was the first that I ran in such a warm temperature (90 degrees or so). Not so warm if one is acclimated, but prior to that I had been running in 80 or less degree weather (I usually go about 90 minutes prior to sunset). Also, I know I didn't drink enough fluids that day. So, next time I go out for a run I will 1) make sure I am well-hydrated, 2) if it is warm, go for shorter duration, and 3) at the first sign of cramping, slow down and/or walk. In hindsight, it wasn't the smartest thing to speed up and keep going when the cramping started - all I was thinking was that I wanted to complete the entire run and if I ran faster/harder I'd be able to get home to the bathroom sooner! I should have turned around and gone back home right then and there.

Thanks again to everyone for your support and encouragement. And let this be a lesson to you that adequate hydration is really important for runners! For some reason (from what I've read, it's probably the pounding), while common for runners, ischemic colitis is pretty rare for cyclists.

mimitabby
07-25-2007, 08:45 PM
thanks for sharing all of this with us. And I wish you a speedy recovery

KSH
07-27-2007, 07:51 AM
Thanks SO MUCH for having the courage to post this thread and to talk about the problems you have been having.

I have had some GI issues that have been going on since April 22nd (I remember the day as it started after completing a tri that day!).

My problems come and go, but sometimes my stool is bloody. It's not consistent though. There are some days though when I have 7-9 bowel movements... and trust me, they aren't small! He said this could be a problem as that means my body isn't digesting any nutrients.

I went to the Dr. yesterday and he is talking antibiotics and then possibly a colonoscopy (? spelling). Which I want to avoid if I can.

I have copied what you posted above and I will be taking it to my Dr. He doesn't see a lot of athletes, so it might be useful. He even mentioned that he wanted to rule out Kron's (? spelling) disease, etc. He suspects it is a bateria problem in my intestines causing all my issues (aka: bowel movements and sometimes bloody stool).

So, thanks for posting this. I've been a bit embarrased by my problem and haven't really talked to too many people about it. Ya know? It's nice to know that I'm not alone.

ginny
07-27-2007, 12:53 PM
ah ha! Kindred spirits! I also have gi issues and am a distance runner - go running 4+ hrs at altitude on the w/e. I have had the dreaded upper and lower gi scope... not fun at all! They didn't really find anything with me... I think it's stress induced (graduate school was not kind to me). Good to know that my running could also be a culprit. I'll keep that in mind the next flare up I get

michelem
07-29-2007, 11:43 PM
Well, after-effects of the prep and scope were really awful - water retention up the wazoo (appeared as though I had elephant ankles!) and abdominal bloating. Solid food was just not making down past the upper belly area. UGH. No running yet, but I did go cycling yesterday. Couldn't eat much and even drinking was difficult 'cause it just felt as if nothing was moving down. But, within an hour of getting home today (was out of town overnight) I pooped 3 times - solid, no blood. What a relief! Then I was HUNGRY and ate a lot throughout the rest of the day. Next challenge will be going for a run and seeing what that does to me. I'll probably give it another week and go in the morning next weekend before it gets too hot . . .

Best of luck to the rest of you who have experienced similar problems. It's no fun and it's embarrassing to share, but it's nice to know I'm not alone.

Grog
07-30-2007, 08:33 AM
Thanks Michelem for posting your post-experience details. I fortunately do not have problems right now but am scheduled to start coloscopies in my mid-thirties, every year, thanks to a family history packed with colorectal cancer. I'm interested to know what to expect not so much for the tests themselves as for the post-test consequences...

Thanks!!

LBTC
07-30-2007, 09:50 AM
Yes, thank you, Michele

I apologize for not being specific when I posted earlier about the after effects I experienced. It's pretty much because I can't really recall!! Luckily for me, these experiences filter out of my consciousness pretty quickly, but that doesn't help others!

I am glad that you are returning to normal and hope that your next running experience is smooth and happy!

Hugs and butterflies,
~T~

LBTC
07-31-2007, 05:52 PM
Hi, Michele, KSH and Ginny (and anyone else following this thread).

I remember something my massage therapist told me, that might be relevant to the discussion.

The illeo muscle (yes, I very likely spelled that wrong), otherwise known as the hip flexor, crosses over the front of the hip bones at the bottom end, and at the top end connects to the psoas muscle, which, at its other end, is attached to the back of the abdominal cavity.

In order for the muscle group to go from the back of the area to the front of the area, the muscles wind between the folds of the intestines, and are fascially attached to them. In a fully healthy individual, actively using the ilieopsoas is, I'm sure, normal and without any adverse effects (I'm actually wondering if it even contributes to better function of the intestines by stimulating them); but, if there is a difficulty, like inflammation or the like, with either the muscles or the organs, aggravating one is likely to aggravate the other.

My theory here is that there is already a weakness in the intestines for some reason, which could be, as previously noted, a hydration problem. The activity of running works the ilieopsoas a lot, stimulating and further aggravating the intestines, causing the intestinal distress. I know from my own experience that cycling does not have as detrimental an effect as walking, even, so it is not surprising to me that running would be even worse. This may be because the range of motion used in cycling is much smaller than in running.

Well, anyway, I'm no medical pro or anything, just someone trying to work out the mysteries of my own malfunctioning body, coming up with a theory that might work for you. What would this do to change your protocol? My guess is, as with anything, look for the root cause (poor hydration??), and do what you can to treat that; but also stretch and massage to gain more relaxation and better range of motion in the hip flexors.

Even if I'm wrong, it's not likely to cause you any worse difficulty! :p

I hope you're feeling well by now, Michele!

Hugs and butterflies,
~T~

ClockworkOrange
09-16-2007, 11:12 AM
..........Best of luck to the rest of you who have experienced similar problems. It's no fun and it's embarrassing to share, but it's nice to know I'm not alone.

Hi Michele

So very pleased things are sorting themselves out.

When we sent the PM's a while ago, did not realise it was you, and there you were, asking how I was. :rolleyes:

Just continue to take it a little bit easy..............yeah, as if!

Sally

michelem
09-17-2007, 11:16 PM
LBTC, I don't know how I missed your reply - so sorry! :confused: I do yoga, but will try to be more mindful about stretching the ileopsoas and see if that helps.

Sally, Yup, it's me. :p

Had another bout of diarrhea last week, but I think it was related to my period - no blood in the stool this time. So, I only ran one day last week and laid off after the diarrhea started (had my last bout on Saturday). I've got a 10-miler planned for tomorrow evening - wish me luck! :eek:

ClockworkOrange
09-18-2007, 02:03 AM
I've got a 10-miler planned for tomorrow evening - wish me luck! :eek:

Hi Michele

Loads of luck coming transatlantic, including a lucky moth! http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/Missbe/animated_moth.gif

Sally