Ok, that's it.

[Meg McKilty]

I give up, for serious yo's.

SouthernBelle and I have now gone through three tubes and two tires. My front tire utterly refuses to stay inflated.

We had both of us trying it out- changing the tubes, then the tire, and yesterday we thought we had it fixed until it went flat on me. On hill day. On a main part of town with lots of traffic at night.

What to do? I have ordered a new tire (the brand new one on it the first time really is defective) and the other one should be fine.

We've checked sizing, puncture possibilities, and wondered if the wheel is bent. It was just trued two weeks ago!!

[teigyr]

The bike hates you?!

Seriously, ok. You checked for punctures and there were none? How is the air leaving the tube? Did you do all the normal "inflate & put in a bucket of water" stuff? What about something poking near where the thingie goes out of the hole (sorry, am blanking but you know what I mean hopefully!). Valve. That's it.

I know there are people who know far more than me but from breaking it down in a troubleshooting sort of way...the tube is losing air somehow. It's a question of how and where - ie is the rim digging in? Or is there a pinch flat? Or a batch of defective tubes? Thorn through the tire? Probably not that though if you changed the tires. Or maybe someone's messing with you when you aren't looking? ;)

Curious.

[Blueberry]

Feel around the rim to make sure your rim tape completely covers all the little holes - they can be sharp. Also feel around the valve stem hole. DH had a flat problem for a while until we discovered a little metal burr there. Inflate the blown out tubes under water to see where the hole is - that should give you an idea of where the problem on the wheel is.

[DebW]

That's tough luck. Have you been able to locate the leak in every flat tube? Are they on the outside (road side) or inside (rim side)? Are they pinch flats with 2 holes like a snakebite? Is the rimstrip old? If you can locate the leak, you can often determine the cause and hopefully prevent future flats of the same type. But sometimes it's confounding.

[mimitabby]

how much air are you putting into the tires?

My DH put 120 lbs of air into the tires for my hybrid and I got flats 2 days in a row. the second day I noticed that the poor tube had been trying to squeeze through the spokes holes.
THen I asked him how much air he was putting in. I think max for those tires was 70lbs.
that solved that problem.

[Grog]

I support the rim hypothesis.

My sweetie had lots of flats and I got sick of waiting on the side of the road. I grabbed the wheel, pulled off the tire and inspected the rim. The tape was all over the place, not protecting the tube at all. I rearranged the tape temporarily and then he got new rim-covers (sort of a latex band, instead of simple tape...).

[Meg McKilty]

No, no, no. We checked it all.

The tire, the tubing, no tire wall pinching the tubing, one flat was near the valve, the other simply blew (and my ears ached for several minutes),a nd no this one refuses to stay inflated for more than about an hour. I can only imagine how long I was riding on a flat yesterday.

The tires can hold 87-120 psi. We usually put about 100 in, but we put 90 in it just to see. Seemed stable until later in the ride.

Now, I haven't gotten to the water and bucket thing- lazy American?

[Grog]

Another silly thing I can think of:

a bad batch of tubes.

Or just plain bad luck.

[Wahine]

I bought a batch of bad tubes once. I buy tubes by the box. I was getting 1 or 2 flats per week.:mad: :mad: Switched to different tubes, no problem. Not true, I still get a lot of flats. But I attribute it to back luck and a lot of hours on the bike.

[CyclaSutra]

I had six flats in one spring until I got my rim tape re-taped... one shop just re-installed the same old tape. First a hit-the-rock blowout of the tire off the rim and then... Two more flats. So I went to a different shop and whined until they put new rim tape on AND THEN put ELECTRICAL TAPE over the rim tape. Double protection against those nasty spoke holes. Few hundred/about a thousand miles, no more flats. I now strap duct tape on all my seat posts for emergency cover-the-spoke-hole incidents.

Sometimes it's just bad luck, sometimes it's figuring out a pesky mystery. Good luck!!!

[Starfish]

I just had 4 flats in 4 rides, and I could NOT find the problem. Finally, however, I did. It was inside the tire, but barely visible...one little thread or wire of the tire was not perfectly flush with the tire...it just barely poked up, and only when I flexed the tire a certain way.

After I found that spot, I thought that surely booting it would do...but no. Another flat. Got a new tire today.

[makbike]

Have you closely inspected the inside of the tire to make sure there is not a tiny piece of glass or metal present? I once found a metal wire sticking through just enough to reach the tube, hence my repeated flats.

Hope you undercover the reason soon!

[SouthernBelle]

Hi all,

We've used different brands of tubes from different shops, the holes have been in differing spots. I haven't looked at the last tube. We used one of my old tires that's still ridable just to use a different tire.

A couple of things have come to mind since I talked to Meg.

1. She may need new rim tape. This is an older Bianchi probably never been replaced.

2. When we were futzing around with the defective tire, it had an ear-splitting blowout right after we aired it up. Could a blowout of that nature have damaged the rim.

3. OK, more than a couple, this bike had larger tires, I think they were 700x28, we are trying to work with 23s or my old one is a 25. It seemed to clinch on OK, but could it be that these rims are too wide for that tire.

random thoughts,

[DebW]

Hi all,

We've used different brands of tubes from different shops, the holes have been in differing spots. I haven't looked at the last tube. We used one of my old tires that's still ridable just to use a different tire.

A couple of things have come to mind since I talked to Meg.

1. She may need new rim tape. This is an older Bianchi probably never been replaced.

Definitely replace it. Cheap insurance, and it might really be the problem.



2. When we were futzing around with the defective tire, it had an ear-splitting blowout right after we aired it up. Could a blowout of that nature have damaged the rim.

No, but it might damage the tire and cause it to not seat well in the future. OTOH, a rim with a major dent or flat spot might lead to tire blowouts. But usually they are caused by not seating the bead properly. When you mount a tire, always check the bead seating after you've put ~30 psi in the tire. Don't inflate to pressure until you're sure the bead is properly seated.




3. OK, more than a couple, this bike had larger tires, I think they were 700x28, we are trying to work with 23s or my old one is a 25. It seemed to clinch on OK, but could it be that these rims are too wide for that tire.


Probably it's OK, as most rims can handle 23-28 fine. But to be sure, measure the inside width of the rim and compare to this table (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html) on Sheldon Brown's site (scroll down to the red and green table).

[Meg McKilty]

Ok, I have decided to go to our LBS (Jolly) and see what's up. This is frustrating and my knees are wearing out quickly from all of this running trying to keep in shape without the aid of my cycle.

I'll update when I get an answer.

[SouthernBelle]

Let us know what he says, & let me know if you are riding tomorrow.

[Meg McKilty]

So I went to a bike shop and they took off the tube, listened to it, tried inflating it. Nothing happened. Inspected the wheel, the tire, all that jazz.

Put the tube in the tire, pumped it slowly, making sure the bead was seated correctly, and pumped slowly still.

The tire works fine now. I have lost all esteem in my tube and tire changing abilities.

Then I rode home in horrible pours of rain. Everything on my bike was SOAKED.