Elevation info center

[spazzdog]

As this I am experiencing "elevation" for the first time, and I'm kinda type A about data, I thought I'd start this thread.

Thought it would be a nice, main location to post those great elevation profiles I see floating around TE.

Veronica, jobob... all you other climbing divas?

As a first request: anybody know the elevation gain for Tunnel Rd to Skyline to Pinehurst (I think it's still Oakland up there)?

spazz

[maillotpois]

According to KLIMB, that's 1090 feet in 6 miles.

[spazzdog]

Thanks MP! What is KLIMB?

I guess posting resources for such info would be a good add as well...

[maillotpois]

KLIMB is great freeware - really good for checking mileages and elevation of routes you are thinking of doing:

http://www.klimb.org/klimb.html

[jobob]

Check out Bikely www.bikely.com . You can map your route and it will give you an elevation profile.

Here's the route I was riding when I met up with you and Trek on Sunday:

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/East-Bay-loop
(except I stopped at Sunol)

Click on Show (directly under the Bikely logo), then click on Elevation Profile.

[spazzdog]

Great info grrls!!

Keep it coming....

spazzdog

[SadieKate]

http://www.motionbased.com/

There is a flood of info going into Motion-Based. In MB you can see people's actual results from their Garmins plus the elevation profiles. Basic accounts are free.

I search on city or key words all the time. For instance, all of us on Party Pardee Saturday reported lower than usual elevation gains (probably due to barometric changes). Last night I found 6 downloads from Saturday and another 8 from previous (probably volunteer) rides that reported much higher gains. The numbers looked more in line with my past years' results so I reported the same 4,100' that I always have and don't feel like I cheated in anyway.

You can search www.bikely.com (which Jobob mentioned the same way) and find profiles and elevation gains. The elevation gains in Bikely appear to be somewhat in the ballpark of real life, maybe a bit high but not bad.

www.routeslip.com - similar to bikely.com, slower to use, can't edit routes and elevation profiles are skyhigh, but can be a source for route ideas.

[maillotpois]

For the Geysers/Pine Flat ride we did this weekend, one guy uploaded his Garmin data to Google Earth so we can re-"ride" the ride again - it created this great little map which moves you along, you can tilt it and ride up the climbs and everything.

Super geeky cool.

The link's at home or I'd attach it here.

[spazzdog]

I went to Bikely and input the ride Trek420 and I did Sunday... without my wrong turn :eek: It's simply titled : Oakland to Lafayette

That's really a cool site.

spazz

[Veronica]

http://www.motionbased.com/
For instance, all of us on Party Pardee Saturday reported lower than usual elevation gains (probably due to barometric changes). Last night I found 6 downloads from Saturday and another 8 from previous (probably volunteer) rides that reported much higher gains. The numbers looked more in line with my past years' results so I reported the same 4,100' ....


I wondered about that. :) I just always use what the Polar says, I figure that way the data is always skewed in the same way. I know sometimes it has to register too high.

V.

[Deanna]

If you're riding in the north bay, check out:

http://www.srcc.com/cgi/srcc/profiles.pl

One of our club members compiled this data with his Garmin. If you click on the profile, you get the details of start-stop points and directions.

Edited to add: Note the scale varies from profile to profile, you'll also get the scale when you click on the profile.

[SadieKate]

Maybe, but it and my Ciclo seem to measure fairly similarly and always less than the organizers claim for the ride. I did a little research this time because it was more than just a little low compared to other years and all of us had the same low results. Motion-Based had very high numbers with the low end being more in-line with my previous years'. I figured the law of averages was sufficient.

MP's Ciclo is always lower than my Ciclo. It's just weird.

Vastly changing weather patterns like we had on Saturday tend to skew the numbers.

Now, let's compare temperature readings.:confused:

[spazzdog]

Hey SK... maybe you're just "sitting higher" (tee-hee-hee:D ) than MP.

spazz

[Veronica]

Temperature :cool: .... I looked at the weather near Iowa Hill. It's not going to be warm enough for my honey this week. He likes the forecast to say at least a max of 65. Oh well. Maybe that one free weekend I have in May.

V.

[SadieKate]

Hey SK... maybe you're just "sitting higher" (tee-hee-hee:D ) than MP.

spazzNaw, I just think MP's lazy. :p

Inside joke: MP thinks I'm lazy because I won't ride over a 200k. Remember, rides should never interfere with the cocktail hour.

[spazzdog]

I are wit chu SK (hic-cup!) :cool:

spazz-o-quila

[SadieKate]

Even a 200k might be a problem if the cocktail hour starts at 2:40 pm.

[jobob]

unless you're really really fast. :p

[spazzdog]

so, uh... 200K is like,ummmm ------ 130 miles. Yes? No?

aarrrrgh! In one day! Ya need cocktail hour to consider doing THAT!

:eek: spazz

[jobob]

I went to Bikely and input the ride Trek420 and I did Sunday... without my wrong turn :eek: It's simply titled : Oakland to Lafayette

That's really a cool site.

spazz

Yeah, I like it a lot. Hey, your route shows that you guys did ~ 1800 feet of climbing, nearly all of it in the first 6 miles. Brava! :cool:

[jobob]

Another really cool program for mapping SF Bay area rides is called BikeMaster. It was developed by Don Axtell, a member of snap's & my club, ACTC.

With Bikemaster you can draw up routes in seconds by selecting the pre-loaded roads. The downside to this is that not every Bay area road is in the database, but it seems that most of the roads that cyclists generally use in the Bay area are in there. You can map out routes and get pretty accurate distances, elevation profiles, total climb, and it will even estimate the time the ride will take based on your average speed and how long you generally spend on rest stops. And you can print out very nice looking cue sheets.


You can download a trial version (w/o all the functions); the full version is $30.

http://home.att.net/~bikemaster/index.htm

jobob sez check it out.

[SadieKate]

so, uh... 200K is like,ummmm ------ 130 miles. Yes? No?

aarrrrgh! In one day! Ya need cocktail hour to consider doing THAT!

:eek: spazz100 kilometers = 62.137 miles. You do the math.

MP is doing a 400k this weekend. She obviously uses her cocktail hours for odd ponderings.

[spazzdog]

yikes!:eek:

[jobob]

so, uh... 200K is like,ummmm ------ 130 miles. Yes? No?

aarrrrgh! In one day! Ya need cocktail hour to consider doing THAT!

:eek: spazz



I did it, got in a bit late for cocktail hour but I had a couple of beers after anyhow :cool:

[SadieKate]

Just fashionably late, my dear.

[spazzdog]

But jobob, as discussed in a different thread, your wack-itude is off the charts...

spazz-o-no-200K-for-moi

[Trek420]

According to KLIMB, that's 1090 feet in 6 miles.

From the bottom of OTR or from the Spazzdog house/or Piedmont Ave?

Either way ... no wonder I'm sore. ;)

[spazzdog]

From the bottom of OTR...

Although, Bikely says the whole route is 1807' gained, 1596' of descent (the yippee!! moments)

spazz

[maillotpois]

Hey SK... maybe you're just "sitting higher" (tee-hee-hee:D ) than MP.

spazz

That's just plain funny - and blatantly untrue! I'm not Taller Sarah for nuthin'!!

[maillotpois]

100 kilometers = 62.137 miles. You do the math.

MP is doing a 400k this weekend. She obviously uses her cocktail hours for odd ponderings.

You've no idea.

Well, I suppose you do, actually! :rolleyes:

It's cocktail hour NOW, by the way.

[SadieKate]

Yes, and what are you pondering?

[snapdragen]

Another really cool program for mapping SF Bay area rides is called BikeMaster. It was developed by Don Axtell, a member of snap's & my club, ACTC.
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snap seconds this! I have BikeMaster, and play around with mapping routes. It also comes with a gazillion pre-existing routes, many of them created by Donny.

[maillotpois]

I am pondering what exactly I should cocktail with.

I will have to compare bike mater and KLIMB - they sound somewhat similar. I wish KLIMB went north of Tomales. That's the one bummer for me. However, I have not yet downloaded the most recent version.

[Veronica]

Thom, the genius, figured out how to turn a route into a track and we have the second half of the 400 K on Bikely now. I think it's called Davis 400 K Test or something.

I only joined Bikely so I could put it there for you. :) It says it takes a day to get the elevation.

V.

[jobob]

It says it takes a day to get the elevation.


Not always. Sometimes I'll get the elevation right away, even with a long route.

[Veronica]

Well, it's still flat.

Here it is

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/27281

V.

[jobob]

eh, maybe it just doesn't like you as much as it likes meee :cool:

[Veronica]

I can see that. :D

V.

[SadieKate]

What were you guys doing down there on Foothill and Monte Vista? And Orchard is a dead straight road.

[Veronica]

Ask Thom!

V.

[Veronica]

I know now! We put it as two separate routes in the GPS. You can only have so many way points and the cut came at the check in at the 7-11 on Orchard at Monte Vista. Does look like it was drawn by a kindergartner though doesn't it? :)

V.

[SadieKate]

I think you broke Bikely.

Nothing will load for me now.

[spazzdog]

Share Veronica...

An elevation graph... a cookie...

spass-still-hurts

[jobob]

hitting the painkillers, spazz?

[spazzdog]

ach-advil!!

'scuse me....

spazz

[maillotpois]

Wow - that's very cool, V! I am impressed!

[SadieKate]

Well, it's still flat.

Here it is

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/27281

V.
The elevation profile works now.

[SadieKate]

MP, I uploaded the gpx file from your Atlas/Veeder ride to bikely. Worked slick except there were so many waypoints that trying to edit was a huge hassle.

If I'm looking for entertainment I suppose I could download V's dbc file, re-load (as a copy), edit it (since it has fewer waypoints) and then you could be load to your Garmin.

[maillotpois]

Yeah, problem is I don't want to try to look at the Garmin for directions because it's going to be hard to see when I need it (in the dark). There's a light, but I don't want to burn the extra battery if I don't have to.

Just going over and over the parts of the route that I am not familiar with in these different routing thingies is going to be very helpful. For the 600, I plotted the parts I didn't know in Topo and then "rode" the whole route in Google Earth. It just really helps to be familiar with the route. I also hope to be riding with Jim during the tricky night parts and he's done the ride before.

[jobob]

Well, it's still flat.

Here it is

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/27281

V.


Ah, you have an elevation profile now. Total climbing doesn't look bad, 4500-4700 feet over 200K. Those hills between miles 50-70, are those the ones on 128 between Moskowite and Pleasants Valley Road?

Geeze, no Cobb Mtn, whatta buncha wusses .... :D :D

[maillotpois]

Geeze, no Cobb Mtn, whatta buncha wusses .... :D :D

So - what are you waiting for?? Sign up!!! ;)

[jobob]

LOL, I knew that was coming !!

Sorry love, I'm just not ready yet ... psychologically, anyhow. :o

[Veronica]

You could ride the end with us. I'm hooking up with MP at checkpoint 4. So only120 miles.

I'm bringing our GPS. It's the Calistoga section and Vacaville that I'm worried about getting lost in. The rest is pretty straightforward.


V.

[maillotpois]

Jim's saying maybe 17 hours total. I am not so sure, but our paces were really compatible in the 300, and he's done this before. Anyway, I expect 7 - 8 hours to the turn around at this point. So, what does that make it, 1 - 2 pm?

[jobob]

Here's my full East Bay loop, the day I rode it with V.
The first hill is Palomares, the next one is Redwood Road, followed by Pinehurst, then Canyon. Spazz, I met up with you and Trek on Sunday at the top of Canyon around the mile 40 point. On Sunday I stopped at mile 72, just before the kickup to Calveras Road.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k186/jobob22/stuff/180307.jpg



And here's Mt. Diablo, north side, starting from Arbolado Park in Walnut Creek.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k186/jobob22/stuff/170307-1.jpg



And here's a ride a bunch of us did from my home, over Calaveras, up Felter Road to the top of Sierra Rd., then back down Felter.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k186/jobob22/stuff/030207-CalvFelter.jpg

[spazzdog]

Thanks jobob!

Has anybody climbed Pinehurst? Or does the above profile mean YOU did jobob (you are a goddess)?

Going down it was a blast, and I kept repeating to myself "I don't wanna go up this - I don't wanna go up this!" as I squeezed the life out of my brakes.

spazz

[maillotpois]

that is SO cool. I need to learn how to make those profiles come out like that, like a picture almost.

diablo looks like a perfect egyptian pyramid.

[SadieKate]

I'm bringing our GPS. It's the Calistoga section and Vacaville that I'm worried about getting lost in. The rest is pretty straightforward.Isn't the Calistoga section just like the Santa Rosa 200K? The loop in Geyserville is different but it will be daylight.

For Vacaville -

--Come down Cardiac and hang a right at Pardehsa's Store (the 3-way to Lake Solano) and you know this intersection
--Go south for several miles up a false flat with a few rollers. The top will be Cantelow Rd (1st turn to the left).
-- Stay straight and continue several miles on a long slow downhill past the 2nd road to your left.
--3rd rd on your left is Foothill and the biggest intersection of the 3.
--This is the key: once you swoop around at the beginning of Foothill, you will essentially begin a series of turns that always take you east or north. The one exception is the I-80 overpass at Sparling and Pedrick which you know from the Fall 200k.
--Once you're over 1-80, it's the same return route. Stay on Tremont until you run into the T and turn north. Last leg take you right to the finish.

[maillotpois]

I think there's a control in calistoga. maybe we should scootch this discussion back over to the long distance thread...

[jobob]

Has anybody climbed Pinehurst? Or does the above profile mean YOU did jobob (you are a goddess)?

Going down it was a blast, and I kept repeating to myself "I don't wanna go up this - I don't wanna go up this!" as I squeezed the life out of my brakes.

spazz

Those are all downloaded from my cycle computer, a Ciclosport CM436(??)M (I'm at work right now so I don't remember the exact number, not that it matters 'cuz I think it's been discontinued), so yes indeedy I did all those rides. :cool:

Pinehurst is the middle bump in the group of 3 hills between miles 30-40. Except I did the part of Pinehurst south of Canyon Rd, whereas you rode the part north of Canyon. So you'll just have to take me along next time you go.

MP, you have a HAC4, right? I can explain to you offline how I copied these profies as jpegs; since they're both made by Ciclosport I imagine the software might be similar.

[maillotpois]

MP, you have a HAC4, right? I can explain to you offline how I copied these profies as jpegs; since they're both made by Ciclosport I imagine the software might be similar.

Well, now I am using a Garmin. It does upload routes to MB if I want. And those create profiles. So I may take you up on that.

[SadieKate]

Isn't it just a print screen?

control+alt+printscreen
paste in Paint
Crop as desired
Save as jpeg

Is there some fancier way to do it?

[maillotpois]

Okay well I did it like this: saved it as a picture (.bmp) and then uploaded to Photobucket.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/maillotpois/atlasveedertrinity.jpg

This should be the Atlas Peak - Veeder - Trinity ride.

ETA: Yippee! It worked! (Remember when I couldn't even insert a regular photo?)

[maillotpois]

This is fun!

Here's one of my favorite rides, goes over Marshall the easy way and twice over Big Rock:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/maillotpois/Miller-Marshall.jpg

And here's the 300k:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/maillotpois/300k.jpg

Everything is super compressed on that one, but the high point in the middle is Pt. Reyes.

[spazzdog]

yay! yay double (or triple :D ) yay!

keep 'em coming grrls!

spazz

[jobob]

Good job MP :cool: or should I say, Ginger?

[SadieKate]

OMG, she can learn new tricks.

[maillotpois]

woof.

I will put this morning's climb up Tam to Pantoll on at some point.

[SadieKate]

Goobers and Grapes Loop when I finally got to meet Deanna -- first climb is Sage Canyon around Hennessy and the 2nd climb is up Ink Grade with that wonderful flyer down Howell Mtn.


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/SadieKate/Misc%20Rides/GoobersandGrapes.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/SadieKate/Misc%20Rides/GoobersandGrapes.jpg

Mines Road

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/SadieKate/Misc%20Rides/MInesRd.jpg

Siskiyou Century with aka_kim's favorite 14 mile climb back over Scarface Ridge

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/SadieKate/Misc%20Rides/SiskiyouCentury.jpg

[jobob]

We need to do Mines Road again sometime. Like, before it turns into a blast furnace again.

[SadieKate]

Mt. George and Atlas Peak and back over Mt George

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/SadieKate/Misc%20Rides/GeorgeandAtlas.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/SadieKate/Misc%20Rides/GeorgeandAtlas.jpg

[SadieKate]

Ack! Why won't the first picture load properly? I added a separate post for George and deleted the link from the first. No Goobers and Grapes is only a link. Grrr. Edited: OK, so now I have the link and a photo. Is it cocktail time yet?

Yes to Mines Rd. geek_12 has been asking when we were doing to do it again.

[spazzdog]

SK, you've done such a good job, have a cocktail... now... please :eek:

[jobob]

Oh geeze, can I have one too ?

[SadieKate]

Sure, I'll make you a mojito. How does 5 sound?

I haven't ridden Iron Mtn/Emigrant Trail with a functioning computer yet. I'll have to make a point of it so I can get a real life profile of this fabulous climb.
http://www.beautifulvista.com/Bike_Rides/iron_mountain_road_climb.htm

[spazzdog]

I'm comin' to your house...

MORE please. Keep them thar profiles a comin'

spazz

[SadieKate]

Jo, can you pick up Spazz-o-matic on the way?

[spazzdog]

I think I'm off jo's beaten path...

I'm in Knife and Gun Club... er, I mean, Oakland.

spazz

[SadieKate]

You're still somewhat between her and me. Remember, I'm in the Republic 'o Davis. Just be sure you have proof of Birkenstock ownership or you could be turned away at town limits.

[spazzdog]

I actually have a pair of Birkenstocks! I wear them apres run or bike... with the cycling or runnig sox. Very attractive :eek:

[Veronica]

A nearly no climbing ride. This is the Silverado Trail from Calistoga to Napa and back.

V.