Ruby Comp or Ruby Pro

[li10up]

I'm still trying to decide on a bike. I've read the replies in other post and have learned a lot from the folks on this site. I feel like I'm a lot more informed, but when it comes to components I'm still not sure.

My question now is should I go with the Ruby Comp or the Ruby Pro. I think the difference in price is about $1600. The Comp is all Shimano 105 while the Pro is DuraAce drive train, brake levers, and rear D with Ultegra brakes, and front D.

Knowing that I'm a recreational rider but want to ride faster and longer and climb better, and that I'm 30 pounds overweight, should I just stick with the Comp? I know that I'd be better off upgrading me than the bike. :o Will I, in a year or so, kick myself for not getting the Pro though? Would I notice the difference in components or would it not really be noticeable for a rider like me?

I'm just looking for some input...I know the ultimate decision is up to me.

[indysteel]

Based on my understanding of Shimano's groups, you'll likely experience/feel some difference, especially in shifting, between the 105 and DA/Ultegra components. I don't know if I'd say it's $1600 worth of difference.

Assuming you're a recreational rideer, I tend to think that the Comp will meet your performance needs. I'm sure some will disagaree, but I tend to think that for the average recreational rider, the desire/need to buy a bike with higher end components is largely emotional. That's certainly what drove me to swap out some of the Mirage components on my Bianchi for Veloce. Even though I know Veloce isn't top of the line for Campy, I just knew I wouldn't be happy with something I perceived as an entry level bike (although I don't consider Shimano 105 as entry level; it's certainly a lot better than Sora or Tiagra). I'd also note, however, that I only spent about $200 to swap those things out. If it had cost $1600, I would have balked. With that in mind, I'd ask yourself how important it generally is for you to have top of the line stuff. If it's not that big of a deal to you, I'd go with the Comp.

Instead of buying the Pro, you could talk to your LBS--either when you buy the bike or later--about upgrading a few of the components. I'd start with the rear derailleur from a performance standpoint. That's not a terribly expensive upgrade. Also, your original post didn't indicate how the wheelsets for each bike compare. That's another place where it makes sense to upgrade. Of course, if my experience with buying handbuilt wheels is any guide, you can get a really good set of custom wheels for less than $500 that will probably perform and ride better than the wheels that come standard on either the Comp or Pro.

If it were me (and take this for what it's worth), I'd buy the Comp and spend my extra $1600 on some nice handbuilt wheels and some cute jerseys.

Kate

[Aggie_Ama]

Why not get the Expert (middle group) Ruby? There is no reason a recreational rider should not have Dura-Ace. The only reason I didn't buy the Dura Ace or Ultegra version of my bike was money. All I want to do is ride 3,500 a year and some centuries, but if my budget had been bigger I wouldn't have 105 right now.

From what I hear you would notice a difference between 105 or Dura-Ace. That being said, most reviews I have found on 105 are quite favorable. I find my shifting to be very smooth, but I have never rode Dura-Ace. There is a BIG difference between my old Sora and 105. Get what you are comfortable spending and don't worry about whether or not it is "too much bike".:D

[logdiva32]

I am very happy with my 105 group. I had a Fuji newest the LBS talked me into, entry level bike with sora and I was very unhappy, I returned it and purchased a better bike. The shifting is smooth almost unoticeable to me. I don't race either just group rides rec, commute and such. So I think it was a good buy. If I had xtra $ to put into a bike I would still keep my 105 and upgrade on frame fit..

[bikerHen]

I second the vote for the Ruby Expert. Mine has full Ultegra. I didn't really like the 105 componets I had on my other bike. I felt a huge difference in the ride between the comp and the expert. Would have love to get the Pro, but I already was stretching the budget with the expert. :o The Expert was the perfect solution for me. :D bikerHen

[aicabsolut]

I would've bought a bike with nicer components if I had the money. I'm trying to race, but something like ease of shifting is a concern for all riders. Will the Comp or Expert perform well? Yes. Will the Pro feel even nicer? Yes. I have a lot to learn so a Roubaix Comp seemed like a good compromise between components and not going way over the top. But I already think about how nice S-Works must feel and how much better a lighter bike would climb. So maybe I'll save up more for bike #2 ;). Will you be itching to upgrade? Maybe. Cycling seems to do that to people. But I don't think you'll really dislike the Comp in a year. The Ruby is a good bike.

[TxRider]

I agree with the others who suggested the Expert ... I knew that I wanted the Ruby, but couldn't justify the extra cost for the Pro since I don't get to ride nearly as much as I'd like. So, the Expert seemed like a good compromise. I also rode the Comp before comitting to the Expert, but I don't really remember how different I thought they were at the time. It's definitely an upgrade from my entry-level Allez and with the type and frequency of riding I am able to do, I don't feel as though I'll "outgrow" it anytime in the near future. i've been extremely happy with it.

[Jo-n-NY]

Hi there, I thought I would add my 2 cents on this one.

I went from a o5 Dolce Comp to just recently as some might have read th 07 Ruby Pro. I am also a recreational rider, but enjoy organized metric and century rides. I prefer the flats, but needless to say one cannot avoid hills so I deal with them which I guess is an understatement for many others.

My Dolce Comp had all Ultegra with DA in the rear. It is a sweet ride, and I thought the shifting was really good. I had occasional rubbing of the chain in certain gears which is very common.

However, after 3 rides on my Ruby Pro I cannot express enough how much sweeter of a ride this is. The shifting is like butter. I kept the compact double, which keep in mind is carbon unlike last years model which was DA. From other posts that I read, some consider this years crankset to be a downgrade from last year, it is not, it is infact an upgrade being carbon which in fact is lighter.

I have not experienced the chain rubbing in any of the different gears so far. I went through all the gears in the larger crank.

Maybe it is the DA brake levers, but it is much easier to brake also, I have very small hands and put very little effort in braking.

If you ask if there is a difference between the two, in my opinion there is. Does it warrent the higher price, that is probably up to you and what your budget can afford. I do not think it matters if you are a "recreational" rider. You will find if you love your bike you will want to ride it more and more. Plus, although it will hold true with all 3 levels, it is sooooo forgiving going over bumpy terrain. After the winter here in NY, the roads are at their worst.

If you have to opportunity, can you try all 3. I new and felt the difference right away going just down the block. Otherwise, I agree with the others that mention going with the Expert as it is just one level below. I forget what color it is, but maybe that might be an issue for you. For me especially paying that amount of money need to love the color also. The Ruby Pro paint job is gorgeous.

I guess that might have been more than 2 cents, sorry.

JoAnn

[indysteel]

To add to my original response. If the Expert is the middle ground betweeen the Comp and Pro (I'm unfortunately not familiar with the Specialized WSD line), I agree that you should go with that. My friends with Ultegra-equipped bikes are all very happy with their performance.

I hope my comment about 105 being adequate for "recreational riders" wasn't taken as a slight. I agree that every cyclist--recreational or competive--is entitled to top-end components if their budget allows. Believe me, my next bike will have Campy Chorus on it if it kills me. I was only trying to assuage any concerns that the OP might have that 105 won't perform adequately for her or that she'll grow disappointed with it. My understanding is that while the shifting with 105 isn't quite as smooth and precise as with DA, it's still a good groupset, especially given the price difference between the Comp and Pro.

That said, the Expert sounds like a great compromise.

[caligurl]

i'm going to chime in and say if you have reservations about spending the money on the pro.... then go with the expert.... it's a great compromise between the comp and the pro!!!!!

[caligurl]

the reason we say that the ruby has been downgraded is... well... because it has! lol! last year EVERY component was DA down to the wheels... this year they shaved money off the price (normally they change components and the price goes UP!) and it's not a mishmosh of part.... the crank is FSA, the brakes and rear D are ultegra (definitly a downgrade over last year's version with the remaining parts being DA.... oh.... and roval wheels

i understand why they did this.... they needed to save the full DA for the s-works....

i've noticed that specialized seems to do this a lot... they will downgrade components on like bikes... same thing happened the year i got my dolce.... i had a mix of mainly ultegra... next year no ultegra at all on the expert! i'm not sure what their thought process was then??????

that's not to say the ruby pro (or ANY of the ruby's) aren't good... they are GREAT bikes... a lot of the comfort and nice ride is in the frame! and of course they are supposedly making the compents nicer each year, too!

i'm just glad i got the one i got (ok.... i take that back.... had i been shopping in 2007 i would have ended up with the s-works, if it fit, cuz it's black and i LOVE black bikes!!!!!)

[li10up]

If you have to opportunity, can you try all 3. I new and felt the difference right away going just down the block. Otherwise, I agree with the others that mention going with the Expert as it is just one level below. I forget what color it is, but maybe that might be an issue for you. For me especially paying that amount of money need to love the color also. The Ruby Pro paint job is gorgeous. JoAnn
I do want a color that I like. Unfortunately I don't care for the carbon/silver of the Expert...that's why I was jumping from the Comp to the Pro. I wonder if you can get the Expert components with the Comp or Pro frame? The frames appears to be the same on all 3 bikes. I'm going to ask my LBS tonight about it.

Thanks for all the input everyone. Seems like I can't go wrong no matter which one I decide on. I guess what's at the back of my mind is that I can afford the Pro right now and I wonder if I get something less if I'll want to upgrade later...and you never know what "later" will hold financially. I hope I can get the Expert in a different color.

[caligurl]

each bike comes in its color (i.e. the pro is the ruby red.... hmmmmmm didn't they switch the other two? so that this year the expert is black and the comp is blue.... last year the comp was black and the expert was blue....) anyways... unless YOU pay to have it painted after you buy it... those are the colors!

p.s. i really don't think you'd be unhappy with the expert (ultegra) version!!!! i would concentrate on getting either an expert or pro.... from the replies i've read in the various threads.... you may not be happy with the 105 on the comp! but the ultegra is a great groupo!!!!

[smilingcat]

As someone here said already, choice of component is mostly based on emotional factor.

105 is adequate. I don't think you will feel or see any shortcomings in recreational rides. It is a solid group. Performs well. Shifts well. I know lot of riders who are more than happy with the 105 group. Unless you are planning on racing anytime soon, save money by going with the 105 group.

Ultegra has improved considerably over the years. And if I'm not mistaken, it is lighter in weight than the 105. Shifting is slightly quicker and would be good for those who are starting to race. It respond faster than the 105. This is important if you want drop your opponent (being able to quickly put some distance between you and your unsuspecting opponent. Its psychological mostly)

Dura Ace is extremely quick in shifting. Again lighter than Ultegra. Definitely race quality.

Last thing. durablility and ruggedness of all three are about the same me think. Just because you are slightly overweight doesn't mean that Dura Ace would hold up better. 105 may hold up better for you.

I used Ultegra on my Litespeed Tachyon, Ultegra/shimono 600 on panasonic DS05000? and my current Obera Dama Race uses Campy's Athena group. (I'm not too happy with Athena. It's not as quick as dura ace or ultegra.)

Save the $1600.

Shawn

[Jo-n-NY]

Well, Liup10...be sure to keep us posted after your visit to the LBS.

If I had 105, I know I would feel the need to upgrade to at least Ultegra. If the Ruby Expert was Blue or the Ruby color I also would have considered it, but I also was not fond of the carbon/silver color which is fine for many others, but I just personally like "colors". I am almost afraid to say this, but if you can afford the Pro, I would go for it. It is a dream to ride.

I shall say no more and await your update :)

JoAnn

[li10up]

As of now my LBS only has one in stock, it is a 51 Ruby Comp. I believe it is my size (according to an online fit guide that I used). Should I expect my LBS to willingly order a Pro for me to test if I won't guarantee I'll buy it? I've never done this before so I'm not sure what to expect. Last time I just took the first one they suggested - with only a stand-over test. I'm trying to be more thorough this time. I'm going to the shop tonight so anyone who can reply quickly it would be appreciated.

[caligurl]

am i the only freak that just LOVES black bikes? :confused:

[li10up]

Yeah.......but we still luv ya. :D

[caligurl]

Yeah.......but we still luv ya. :D


http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/194.gif

[indysteel]

Every shop is a little different, but it would't hurt to ask them if they'd be willing to order one for you to test ride. Are there any other shops in area that are Specialized dealers? Maybe you could test ride a Pro at a different shop.

My LBS was willing to order my bike without a commitment from me to buy it, but it was a $1300 bike. If your LBS is not willing to do that, then test ride the Comp to get a feel for the geometry, frame and fit. The two bikes are identical in those aspects, right? If so, then the only difference is between the components and, perhaps most noticeably, the shifting. Maybe they have another Dura Ace equipped bike that you can try to a get a feel for the difference between 105 and Dura Ace components.

In my opinion, the most important things to focus on during a test ride is, first, whether the bike fits and, second, whether you like the ride quality of the frame. You should be able to figure that out for either bike by riding the Comp. If you like how the Comp brakes and shift, just picture yourself liking it even more with the Pro.

Also, you haven't mentioned in your posts whether you prefer to get a double or triple crank. I notice that the Comp is offered in either a standard double or triple, while the Pro comes with a compact double. Depending on what kind of gearing you want, that may be an important factor in your decision. I know it was a factor in mine. I have a hard enough time climbing with my triple. I'd never make it up the steep climbs we have in Indiana with a compact.

I know I've given my two cents on this already but in looking closely at the specs for both bikes, I have to say that the Pro is what I call a "whole lotta bike." I'm a total bike geek and completely understand the appeal of high-end bikes and components, but I think that the difference in price between the two bikes is just too much for the performance advantages that you would be getting with the Pro. I have no idea what your budget is and, if price isn't a factor, then knock yourself out with the Pro. Otherwise, I'd go with the Comp.

[caligurl]

the geometry of the frames is the same... last year the carbon used was different... they used their best carbon on the pro.... not sure about this year's versions.....

[li10up]

Geez...just when I was about set on the Pro........But Indysteel you make a good point, actually several good ones. I currently have a triple but want to go to a compact double. We don't have a lot of hills around here and when I compared the gearing the high and low where nearly the same anyhow....and they are better spaced in-between on the Ruby. Too many double shifts on the Allez triple. I rarely use the granny gear now.

Deciding is tougher than I thought it would be. I'm just glad I have some people to bounce ideas off of and get their experienced input. Thanks everyone.

Can't wait for 5:30 to roll around!

[indysteel]

the geometry of the frames is the same... last year the carbon used was different... they used their best carbon on the pro.... not sure about this year's versions.....

From their specs for 2007, it looks like the frame for each is the same--FACT 7r carbon.

[indysteel]

Geez...just when I was about set on the Pro........But Indysteel you make a good point, actually several good ones. I currently have a triple but want to go to a compact double. We don't have a lot of hills around here and when I compared the gearing the high and low where nearly the same anyhow....and they are better spaced in-between on the Ruby. Too many double shifts on the Allez triple. I rarely use the granny gear now.

Deciding is tougher than I thought it would be. I'm just glad I have some people to bounce ideas off of and get their experienced input. Thanks everyone.

Can't wait for 5:30 to roll around!

First off, I'm jealous that you don't need your granny gear anymore for hills. Man, I must suck at climbing b/c I'd be dead w/o one.

Anyway, if you prefer a compact crank, then maybe the Pro is the right bike for you, notwithstanding the higher price tag. But, if you like the price of the Comp but prefer a compact crank, you can always work out a deal with your LBS to swamp out the triple crank for a compact. You'd probably also want to change out the rear derailleur since you wouldn't need the long cage r/d that comes with the Comp. If so, you could upgrade the r/d to Ultegra which would improve your shifting in the rear. I'm not sure what your LBS would charge for that, but it would likely be far less than $1600.

Good luck with your decision. Keep us posted. Don't be afraid to sleep on it for a few days.

[caligurl]

i figured out what "turns me off" the blue ruby.... the paint job is almost identical to my dolce's paint job! (the dark and light blue!)

if you can stand the black.... go for the expert.... that is really your BEST bet... you get the better ultegra parts without spending the PRO price....

ok.... one other thought.... most times it's cheaper to buy a whole new bike than to upgrade significant components..... so say you do buy the comp... but want a whole drivetrain upgrade... that's gonna be spendy..... (example... when we were looking at getting my MTB hubby was gonna upgrade a couple things... fork.... whatnots.... it was RIDICULOUS! he ended up with a whole new bike, too!)

sooooooooooooooooooooooo if you really think you're gonna want to upgrade (and VERY big possibility i would think with the 105)... and you hate the gorgeous black :p then just buy the pro..... i guarantee you will love the ride!

however..... since you seem to feel guilty about spending the money (don't we all!) then, as i said... if you can get past the black.... that is really the best bang for your buck.... you won't feel the need to upgrade the ultegra!

gee.... i'm not much help, am i???????????????????

to me it's between the expert and the pro.... i, personally, after looking at the specs (and color) wouldn't get the comp..... but that's ME!

[TxRider]

Wow - I didn't realize that the Expert changed colors this year although I guess I should have since they usually do yearly.

I know it's probably unlikely, but maybe a bike shop somewhere has an Expert "left over" from last year? Maybe your bike shop could call Specialized & check into that for you? Probably a long-shot (my bike store didn't even stock them b/c they thought there wouldn't be the demand), but just throwing the suggestion out there.

[Jo-n-NY]

Indysteel gave you some great advice in her post about fitting & feel of the frame. If the 51 fits you in the Comp, it will fit you in the Pro. Mine is actually a 51. The feel of the ride will also be the same.

When it comes to components I agree with Cali, if you are deciding between the Comp and the Pro.If the Pro is in your budget, I would go for it. I can assure you will not be dissappointed.

As far as triple or compact double, I used my granny gear on my Dolce Comp a few times only so I do not see a problem using a "compact" double.

I cannot wait to hear how your trip to the LBS turned out.

[indysteel]

ok.... one other thought.... most times it's cheaper to buy a whole new bike than to upgrade significant components..... so say you do buy the comp... but want a whole drivetrain upgrade... that's gonna be spendy..... (example... when we were looking at getting my MTB hubby was gonna upgrade a couple things... fork.... whatnots.... it was RIDICULOUS! he ended up with a whole new bike, too!)

I agree generally with that, but that is what has me a bit confused about Specialized's pricing for the Comp and Pro. You can buy a full Dura Ace groupset for less than $1600, e.g., at Colorado Cyclist. Since I can't seem to find any other difference between the Comp and the Pro, I have to wonder what justifies the big price difference between the two bikes. Specialized doesn't indicate what wheelset is used on each bike. Maybe the Pro has better wheels. That would explain it....

Sorry to beat what may be a dead horse, but I've been scratching my head about it since this thread started.

[li10up]

I agree generally with that, but that is what has me a bit confused about Specialized's pricing for the Comp and Pro. You can buy a full Dura Ace groupset for less than $1600, e.g., at Colorado Cyclist. Since I can't seem to find any other difference between the Comp and the Pro, I have to wonder what justifies the big price difference between the two bikes. Specialized doesn't indicate what wheelset is used on each bike. Maybe the Pro has better wheels. That would explain it....

Sorry to beat what may be a dead horse, but I've been scratching my head about it since this thread started.

On Specialized site the have this info:
Rims: Pro - Roval Classique Fusee, 24 hole
Comp - Mavic open sport

Means nothing to me............?????????????

[Jo-n-NY]

On Specialized site the have this info:
Rims: Pro - Roval Classique Fusee, 24 hole
Comp - Mavic open sport

Means nothing to me............?????????????

To the best of my knowledge that is an upgrade along with:

Pro- Carbon Headset
Pro- Carbon Crankset
Pro- Roval Classique Fusee Rims, front & rear hub- this is the wheel set and this is what "mainly" makes the Pro a far better bike than the Comp.

Also, I am not sure how much his matters, but the spokes DT stainless, butted aero, hidden aeros, which I guess is another plus.

I hope this helps. I pass this info on to you from my husband as he knows far better than I about stuff like this. All I know is, I love the ride. :)

~ JoAnn

[indysteel]

Thanks for clarifying that for me Jo-Ann. That further explains the price difference.

[li10up]

Well, I went to the LBS last night and got fit on my current bike. I think it went well and I feel more comfortable on my bike. He said I am on the right size frame. He rotated the handlebars upward…my hoods were down too far for me causing me to extend my wrists. Now the drops aren’t really in the right place so I may have to rotate the bars down a bit. But at least I know how to do that now. If/when I need to replace the bar tape I’ll move the hoods up a bit. He also raised my seat and moved it forward. I’ll see how it feels on my ride tomorrow. He also said I have a good pedal stroke…hey; at least I’m doing something right!

We then talked about bikes. I wanted the Expert but I can only get it in black, sorry Calgirl, but I just don’t know if I can go with that look. Just a personal preference. But I had them price me out three options.
Pro - $3897
Expert - $2815
Comp frame with Campy Chorus group - $3600

I really don’t know anything about Campy but it was the bike shop owner that really thought it was the way for me to go. But he may have alternative motives since he is in the business to make money, I assume.

So, I still don’t know what to do. I still haven’t even see the Ruby frame in person or taken a test ride on one. Close up it might not look anything like the pictures I’ve seen. In another post I said I test rode a Pro at a bike demo but it was actually the S-works bike…SWEET! Maybe I should just wait until the 2008’s come out and see what color the expert comes in.

[Jo-n-NY]

hmmmmm I wonder why there is Campy on the Comp. Specialized does not sell it that way. They do not use Campy on any of their bikes. My dh is not a fan of campy as he feels shimano has a smoother way of shifting.

For a few hundred more you can have the Pro.

If you are more comfortable on your bike this may give you more time to think about what you want, and maybe look around a bit more for a shop that might have even an expert or pro for you to try since he doesn't have any instock as you mentioned you have not even seen one yet.

~ JoAnn

[caligurl]

Specialized doesn't indicate what wheelset is used on each bike. Maybe the Pro has better wheels. That would explain it....




yes they do... and each version has different wheels...

[caligurl]

For a few hundred more you can have the Pro.




i gotta agree here... if you are considering going with the comp built up with campy (what did they do with the 105 that specialized shipped with the bike?) i'd just pay the couple hundred more and get the pro....

someone else got her 2006 pro groupo switched out from DA to campy record....

no... specialized does not sell campy... the bike store built it up (or will build it up) charging the difference (or whole price?) for the chorus groupo!

if you are considering the comp with the chorus... make sure you do your homework on price.... that seems an awfully steep upcharge for charging the difference... if they are charging you FULL price on the campy and not taking the 105 into consideration... then make sure you get that 105 set... at the very least it's a back up group/parts or you can sell it here or on ebay!

[caligurl]

I wanted the Expert but I can only get it in black, sorry Calgirl, but I just don’t know if I can go with that look. Just a personal preference.


hey.... no problem! that's why there are so many bike (or so many of anything!) we all have personal preferences! you like blue i like black! http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/88.gif

i feel with bikes it really IS important to like the look of it! some people don't care..... I do!!!!

[li10up]

hmmmmm I wonder why there is Campy on the Comp. Specialized does not sell it that way. They do not use Campy on any of their bikes.
He would sell me the Comp and switch out the components.

I've heard that Campy fans are VERY loyal and wouldn't get caught dead riding anything else. Must be something to it. I dunno. I'm thinking I'm going to head to Austin sometime and see if I find a Pro or Expert to ride.

[Jo-n-NY]

He would sell me the Comp and switch out the components.

I've heard that Campy fans are VERY loyal and wouldn't get caught dead riding anything else. Must be something to it. I dunno. I'm thinking I'm going to head to Austin sometime and see if I find a Pro or Expert to ride.


I think that is a great idea and it will give you peace of mind.

I will agree with Cali on the campy change out. Unless you are familiar with this set, I would not agree to it.

Have fun in your search and keep us updated.

~ JoAnn

[li10up]

i gotta agree here... if you are considering going with the comp built up with campy (what did they do with the 105 that specialized shipped with the bike?) i'd just pay the couple hundred more and get the pro....

if you are considering the comp with the chorus... make sure you do your homework on price.... that seems an awfully steep upcharge for charging the difference... if they are charging you FULL price on the campy and not taking the 105 into consideration... then make sure you get that 105 set... at the very least it's a back up group/parts or you can sell it here or on ebay!
He didn't say if he was going to charge me the full price on the Campy groupo. He also didn't say if I got to keep the 105 set. I don't know much at all about Campy so I don't have any idea of this is a good deal or not.

Anyone know which bikes ship with Campy? Maybe I could do a price comparison that way.

[Bluetree]

Anyone know which bikes ship with Campy? Maybe I could do a price comparison that way.

I believe Bianchis come with Campys, although I've seen them in LBSs with Shimanos, too. Orbea actually has a "build your own bike" setup, where you pick the frame and then the components you want on them (Shimano, Campy or Sram). I'm heavily leaning towards them for my next bike.

You can price gruppos on online shops such as www.coloradocyclist.com.

[caligurl]

orbea's maybe????????? i know at one time i saw you could get shimano or campy on an orbea... haven't looked in a while, though!

bianchi's?

[caligurl]

ahhhhhhh bluetree beat me to it!

[indysteel]

Thanks for the update. I'm glad that they were able to tweak the fit of yoru current bike. Having followed this thread from the beginning, I'm curious: What bike are you currently riding and, if you don't mind me asking, what do you most want to achieve in upgrading to the Specialized?

But back to the current debate: I'm a Campy girl myself. I don't have Chorus on my current bike, just a mix of Veloce and Mirage (and a Chorus cassette thrown in for good measure), but I'm quite pleased with it. Everyone claims that the shifting with Campy gets better over time as it gets worked in, and that's been my experience as well. I run a Campy Ultranarrow chain and shifting in the rear is very smooth, minus the occasional r/d adjustment.

That said, I'm not a fan of the brakes and, having read up on it, it's the one part of Campy's line that doesn't always get rave reviews. If and when I have the pleasure of building up my dream bike, I'm going to use a different brand.

While I am a Campy fan, I'm not sure the LBS's proposal to swap out the 105 is very cost-effective. When I swamped out a few of my components, my LBS essentially charged me for the price difference between the Mirage and Veloce. From looking at the numbers your LBS quoted, however, it looks like they're charging you the full cost of a Chorus groupset (I'm basing that on Colorado Cyclist's price of $1215 for the 10-piece group; you could probably by a cheaper set on Ebay ). So, based on those figures, you're actually paying for two groupsets--the 105 that comes on the bike and the Chorus. At least to me, that doesn't make sense.

So, while I think the Chorus components are arguably a lot better than the 105 (and many Campy fans would argue that they're better than DuraAce, but let's not go there), I have to wonder whether it makes sense to do it that way. I still maintain that if you're willing to swap out components, you'd be financially better off doing a few choice upgrades to the Comp, e.g, your rear derailleur, to improve its performance. Otherwise, keep it simple and just buy the Expert or Pro.

[li10up]

Well, I did some calling around and found one shop that would sell the Ruby Pro to me for $325 less than my LBS. I called my LBS to see if they would match the price. They called me back and said that they gave me the lowest list price and that they could get in trouble with Specialized if they knew they sold it under the list price before the date they were allowed to drop the price.

Anybody know when this magical date is? Guess you have to have to have some inside bike shop knowledge to know about this.

Also, would you go to another shop to save $325? BTW, my local shop will give me free service on basic stuff for 1 year after the purchase price on bikes bought at their shop. I'd have to take the bike out of town to get it serviced if I wanted it done free for the first year. The other shop is only about 30 miles away but it still would be a pain. Hmmm.

[indysteel]

And the plot thickens.

Man, that's a tough one. On one hand, I think it's important to have a good relationship with a local LBS. You never know when you're going to need their help in an emergency. On the other hand, saving $300 + dollars on an expensive bike is sweet. Would you feel comfortable telling your local LBS that you'd like to buy the bike from them, but can they give you a ballpark date for when the price might be more negotiable? If you could hold out until then, you might be able to work out a good deal.

Since you're thinking of pricing other bikes for comparison, I would suggest looking at the LeMonds, too. In December, a friend of mine bought a 2007 full carbon, Ultegra equipped bike that lists around $2200. Stylewise, it wasn't my cup of tea, but she likes it.

[Aggie_Ama]

I drive 35 miles to get my bike serviced, it is the service that counts for me and I will drive a modest amount for it. The shop won a sale from me based on their service to my other bikes. Of course I do work 8 miles from the shop, so if I go on a week day it is an easier drive. ;)

Why not try the other shop since you seem to have reservations about your LBS. Just see what the other shop has to offer since it is only 30 miles. I want to hear what others say about the LBS pricing. One shop here sells everything (Specialized and Trek) below MSRP and I don't think they are getting in any trouble since the Discovery Team frequently comes for appearances. :confused:

[aicabsolut]

I just wanted to add that while the FSA compact cranks are amazing (love the gearing), shifting into the big ring is a pain in the butt with a standard Shimano double FD, which is what my bike (Roubaix comp) came with. I've had it 6 months, and I've already worn a lot of the teeth on the big ring. I have only recently started using the big ring with any real frequency. It's very easy to drop a chain, and recently the whole crankset locks up occasionally when the chain gets stuck half way on the big ring--you can fix it by slightly backpedaling, for anyone else who runs into that problem.

Some of these complaints seem to be pretty standard for the FSA set, particularly when you aren't given the magic FD that makes it happy.

When I tried the bike, the FSA was so much better than the 105 triple on the Elite. I didn't try the Pro (there was no Roubaix Expert) because it was outside the budget I had set. It's just gotten harder and harder. I take really good care of the chain, cassette, and crankset. But this seems like abnormal wear on the outer ring to me. I took it to a shop recently to figure out a weird noise I started hearing, and the guy who rode it around for me said he couldn't replicate the noise, but he complained enough about my FD and shifting into the big ring. Maybe he put a curse on it, because it keeps getting worse.

For my next bike, I'll save up more and probably go with any compact I can find in DA or SRAM.

At the least, I'd talk to the shop about their service plans and what they could do for you if the FSA set gives you problems. (I emailed FSA customer service about my issues, and they say I have to take it to the shop for them to determine if it could be something under warranty).

[li10up]

Saturday I went to the LBS and took the Ruby Comp triple out for a test ride. It is the same frame as the Ruby Pro. The shifting was so much smoother than on my Allez triple. The bike felt much lighter and climbing was easier. I was amazed that climbing out of the saddle was a LOT easier than on my current bike. I didn’t get fatigued as quickly. Unfortunately it was a triple so I’m not sure how the shifting between chain rings will feel on a compact double. The previous post is giving me some cause for concern. But I guess it is mute because……….
I bought the Ruby Pro!!!!!!!!! I am very excited. It should be here Thursday. I hope I didn’t make a mistake by buying a bike that I haven’t ridden or even seen. But from all the satisfied Ruby riders who helped me make my decision I don’t think I’ll be disappointed. Did I mention that I’m excited!?!?

[caligurl]

congratulations! i hope you like it!!!!

as for buying without seeing or test riding.... i did that... well... i had no choice... i put my deposit down before they were ever in the stores! lol! i did have the back out though if i didn't like the color or it didn't fit since there was no way to try one on! (keep in mind... my rave review are based on a full DA setup.... the whole drivetrain, including crank and wheels! lol!)

hope you have many, many happy miles!!!!

[Jo-n-NY]

I also wish you a huge CONGRATULATIONS also along with many enjoyable and safe riding miles.

Keep in mind, that the Pro compact double is FSA K-Force, carbon crankset. I think it is an upgrade from the average compact double. Shifting is so much easier than it was on my Dolce Comp which was a triple.

What a wonderful way to begin Spring 07 :)

~ JoAnn

[li10up]

caligurl, Jo-n-NY: Thank you both. Your input through this whole thing was invaluable. Thank you both so much. Another question. How do I care for a carbon frame. Is there anything I need to do differently in maintaining this bike? I can't wait to get her!!!

[caligurl]

i just wipe mine down with the same stuff i use on my car (zaino z-6)

i had asked my bike shop about what to use when i first got ruby and they told me pledge! as for full on baths..... i'm not sure what hubby uses (i don't bathe the bikes :o ) but i have sprayed on that pink bikewash stuff and hosed it off at least once!

[bikerHen]

am i the only freak that just LOVES black bikes? :confused:

No, I LOVE my black Expert. :D It looks so sleek and fast, even if I'm not! And being a netural color it looks good no matter what I'm wearing. :p bikerHen

[indysteel]

Congrats on the new bike!!!! I'm sure the Pro will be a fabulous ride. Many happy and safe miles.....

Kate

[Jo-n-NY]

caligurl, Jo-n-NY: Thank you both. Your input through this whole thing was invaluable. Thank you both so much. Another question. How do I care for a carbon frame. Is there anything I need to do differently in maintaining this bike? I can't wait to get her!!!

I didn't give this much thought and since I just got the bike last week, I have not cleaned it yet, although I went on 3 rides so I am going to run home and take a look and see if she should be cleaned. Anyway, I was just going to use my regular bike polish. Now you have me thinking and maybe I should ask my husband.

~ JoAnn

[li10up]

I just called my LBS and my Ruby Pro is in and ready to be picked up! But I want to go on a club ride tonight so looks like one more ride on the old Allez tonight and I'll pick up the new one tomorrow when I get off work at noon! Only one more day of suspense!!!

[FreshNewbie]

Yey, I am leaving through your happy experience. Congruts and please pictures pictures!!!

[caligurl]

wow!!! you've got more willpower than i have! i was down there IMMEDITATLY for both ruby and my MTB when i knew they were built!

[Aggie_Ama]

That is strong will. When I got my Cannondale I had to remind myself how dangerous it would be to ride her around the neighborhood after dark (we didn't have street lights yet).

Bring on the pictures!!:D :D :D :D

[tprevost]

Saturday I went to the LBS and took the Ruby Comp triple out for a test ride. It is the same frame as the Ruby Pro. The shifting was so much smoother than on my Allez triple. The bike felt much lighter and climbing was easier. I was amazed that climbing out of the saddle was a LOT easier than on my current bike. I didn’t get fatigued as quickly. Unfortunately it was a triple so I’m not sure how the shifting between chain rings will feel on a compact double. The previous post is giving me some cause for concern. But I guess it is mute because……….
I bought the Ruby Pro!!!!!!!!! I am very excited. It should be here Thursday. I hope I didn’t make a mistake by buying a bike that I haven’t ridden or even seen. But from all the satisfied Ruby riders who helped me make my decision I don’t think I’ll be disappointed. Did I mention that I’m excited!?!?


Congratulations!!!!!! WOW, you are gonna LOVE your new bike :D Caligurl has one and it is probably one of the most beautiful bikes I've seen!

Can't wait to see pics!

trac'

[tprevost]

No, I LOVE my black Expert. :D It looks so sleek and fast, even if I'm not! And being a netural color it looks good no matter what I'm wearing. :p bikerHen

... and it's very purdy too ;)

[li10up]

Yeah, I really wanted to pick her up yesterday. But I figured by the time I did it would be too late to get a good ride in. Plus, I wanted to see how I'd do on the club intermediate ride last night. Also, I felt like I need to ride more in order to be deserving of such a fine machine. I'm all a-quiver....

I'm happy to report I was able to stay with the front group last night too! All around, life is good.

[Jo-n-NY]

Yeah, I really wanted to pick her up yesterday. But I figured by the time I did it would be too late to get a good ride in. Plus, I wanted to see how I'd do on the club intermediate ride last night. Also, I felt like I need to ride more in order to be deserving of such a fine machine. I'm all a-quiver....

I'm happy to report I was able to stay with the front group last night too! All around, life is good.


Good for you li10up!!!! I honestly believe you are very deserving of the Pro as anyone else here you would like to own one.

I took off of work yesterday and in between dr. appts, I took a quick 15 mile ride. I am so happy to report that I went through all the gears on both cranks in the front and my chain did not rub on any gear ratio. I do not think I went down to the easiest because I was on a flat stretch and I was spinning like crazy at some point down there and didn't want to fall over. You cannot beat the shifting on this bike. It also has a mechanism on the cable that gives you an idea where you are in the rear.

Ok...I will now await your report when you pick up yours.

~ JoAnn

[caligurl]

well lookie what i found posted on the specialized rider's club site!


So we have heard lots of questions about carbon fiber these days, and lots of Riders Club members have been writing to ask about caring for their carbon bikes. So us in the Carbon Engineering department sat down and put together this little tip sheet, to help you get the most from your carbon bike or components. Enjoy!

Carbon Tips from the Engineers at Specialized Bicycles

1. Do not use grease on any Carbon seatposts or Carbon seat tubes. What we have started to use in the shop is a product from TACX called Dynamic assembly compound. We have found that this product works very well with all the carbon products.

2. Always use a torque wrench! This is a VERY important tool for carbon fiber frame owners to have. It is much harder to determine the torque on a bolt by feel with carbon than it is with alloy. Overtorquing is probably the biggest cause of cracks that we see in carbon products.

3. It is fine to wash the bikes with soapy water and a hose, and like any bike, it's never a good idea to aim the water directly at bearings (headsets, cranks, etc). We recommend hosing the bike off, then washing with a brush, sponge and a bucket of warm soapy water of diluted Simple Green. Finally, rinse carefully.

4. After a wash, use Pledge furniture polish or something like Pedro's bike lust to put a nice new shine back onto the bike.

5. If you have any stone chips or have had chain suck, then it is a good idea to protect the raw carbon finish with either a clear tape or some clear nail polish.

6. If a frame has been crashed, you should always have it inspected by your dealer.

7. When cutting components (handlebars and seatposts, etc):

- We recommend using a carbon-specific hacksaw blade. These blades essentially “sand” through the carbon instead of tearing through with teeth, which tend to fray and splinter the fibers in the composite. It’s also good practice to wrap the carbon with tape before cutting, though this is less necessary when using a carbon-specific blade.

- Pay particular attention to the orientation of the seat collar. When using a carbon post, it’s very important to have the seat collar slot on the opposite side of the seat tube slot. This helps disperse loads better, reducing the possibility of pinching and crushing the seat post, as well as reducing frame damage. Diagonally slotted seat collars are highly recommended, and proper torque is crucial to long component and frame life.

[Jo-n-NY]

Thanks Caligurl!!!!

[lesliejo]

Hi,
I have the Ruby Expert. an absolute dream of a ride. I wouldn't trade it for anything. It is a nice "middle ground" between the comp and the pro. I think you would love it just as much as I do. I always ride with a smile when I am out on my Ruby. I have a winter bike, a specialized Dolce.....feels like a tank compared to my Ruby. I don't rode the Ruby in the rain. Go for the Expert, it is a great ride.

[li10up]

Update: I have over 100 miles on the Ruby Pro now. She rides like a dream! I've lost quite a bit of downhill coasting speed but am doing better on the hills. My avg. speed on a 30 mile ride yesterday was 15.5. That's faster than I normally average on a 20 mile ride...and this ride had some hills on it...one pretty serious. I am loving this bike. I've found I can put about 5 more psi in the tires than on my Allez without sacrificing comfort. The Ruby really smooths out the ride! I might even try a few more psi. On the Allez I was at 95 psi and rode the Ruby yesterday at 100 psi. I can go up to 110 psi on the tires. Standing on hills is a completely new experience. When I did it on the Allez I felt like I was pulling something uphill. With the Ruby that feeling is gone. It takes much less effort to stand on the hills. I may be in love with a bike! :eek:

Thanks for the carbon care info!!!

[Jo-n-NY]

Thanks for the update li10up!!! I have yet to try some hills on mine.

I am happy to hear you are truely happy with your decision in buying the pro.

~ JoAnn

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

Li10up,
Congrats on your beautiful new bike! :D
I am curious though...why is it that you "lost quite a bit of downhill coasting speed"- what causes that?

I look forward to a day when I don't feel like I'm pulling my bike uphill. I suspect I need stronger leg muscles!

[li10up]

Li10up,
Congrats on your beautiful new bike! :D
I am curious though...why is it that you "lost quite a bit of downhill coasting speed"- what causes that?

I look forward to a day when I don't feel like I'm pulling my bike uphill. I suspect I need stronger leg muscles!

Lisa, due to the bike weighing quite a bit less I don't have the momentum of that extra weight in effect pulling me downhill. That's why larger riders can coast downhill faster than light riders. I call my rotundness "superior coasting weight." A lighter bike is essentially the same thing. I'm hoping to make up the difference on the rest of the ride though...on the flats and hills.

[aicabsolut]

Just get more aero on the downhills and you can coast pretty fast. I can usually keep up with the 53/11t gearing lot after I've run out of gears at 50/12t just by getting into a more aero position.

[li10up]

Just get more aero on the downhills and you can coast pretty fast. I can usually keep up with the 53/11t gearing lot after I've run out of gears at 50/12t just by getting into a more aero position.
That's what I do...unfortunately that's what my riding buddies do too so I can't gain an edge. Oh well, it's a problem I don't mind having if it means having a lighter bike with better components.

[aicabsolut]

Yeah, it will only do you so much good if your riding buddies have a significant weight advantage over you. Getting low so far helps me hang on in a race. I guess you'll have to stop coasting so much. ;)