Yet another reason to stick with TE

[East Hill]

I know we have had an interesting time discussing whether or not men should be allowed in this forum.

Back at the other bike forum, I sent a 'report this post' complaint about a 'joke' which I felt to be sexist--in other words, it violated the forum guidelines.

Not only is the 'joke' still there, I have been attacked by a fellow member as:

"What r u the ****ing forum rules nannie & police?"

Wow. Wow. I reported this post too. I'll see what is done with it, but I doubt anything will happen.

It's nice to come back to TE

This is a link to the 'joke':

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=263368

And men wonder why we don't want them around here.

I'm guessing that due to a tightening up on the P & R forum, certain members just can't restrain themselves.

I'm trying to stick to just my favourites, like C & V, but--Wow.

East Hill

[Offthegrid]

Ouch.

I have never found another forum as inviting, welcoming, helpful and caring as TE.

{{{{{{{ Group hug }}}}}}}}}}}

[caligurl]

i hear ya, east hill!

i HATE the moderation... or rather lack of moderation... at that forum....

but then again... "i'm a stick in the mud" or so i've been called!

[Bluetree]

Sorry you had to go thru that, EH.

I lurk on a horse racing forum and this week the moderators had to do a 2-day shutdown as a "cooling off" period because the fighting got so bad. It got pretty vicious... physical threats, foul language, all around abusiveness... and some of the women were as bad as the men! :(

Yeah, TE is definitely the best.

[Veronica]

I saw that joke somewhere else and I thought it was kind of funny. But I think it came from my sister in law - a self described BMW - Big Maine Woman. Presentation is key. Our instruction in sexual harassment says that if someone tells you they are offended, you need to stop.

Good manners say that the joke should be pulled. I guess the guy who replied to you needs some vocabulary lessons as well. :)

V.

[caligurl]

I saw that joke somewhere else and I thought it was kind of funny. But, our instruction in sexual harassment says that if someone tells you they are offended, you need to stop.

Good manners say that the joke should be pulled. I guess the guy who replied to you needs some vocabulary lessons as well. :)

V.


they do the red light, yellow light, green light stuff here (well.. the last time i had a sexual harrasment class it was that way) but ya.... they have NO CLUE over there!

it's all in the context of where it's at... and in a co-ed cycing forum that is as volatile at that one is... it has no place IMO.....

[Eden]

I may not read the right threads, but it seems like CyclingForums (the other board I read and post to) is more civil than BikeForums? Not to say that there are not some real jerks and trolls over there, but it doesn't seem as if it's as constant. They have banned some folks for threats and personal attacks or inappropriate postings.

[mimitabby]

and then there's Bikejournal.com I got censored there for using the word "hell" in a limerick!! I thought that a bit much.
They asked me to change the wording of my poem or delete it. So i deleted it.

[caligurl]

and then there's Bikejournal.com I got censored there for using the word "hell" in a limerick!! I thought that a bit much.
They asked me to change the wording of my poem or delete it. So i deleted it.



http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/89.gif

from one extreme to the other! ya.... bikejournal has it's quirks (and cliques) too!

i read over there when i get bored and it's quite interesting! and totally the 80-20 rule there!

[Pax]

I noticed the post where the guy called you names is gone...did the mods delete it?

[caligurl]

i don't get it? see..... the moderation is just WEIRD! i'm glad the personal attack is gone! but why is the offensive joke still there? NO CONSISTENCY! UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pepe6599]

I joined another bike forum before this one to ask questions and people were just so mean. I can't remember what site it was but I like here much much better.

[caligurl]

i left another bike forum about a year and a half ago cuz it was such a mean place!!!! (and there really was NO moderation there! i mean... i complain about BF moderation.. but it looks strict compared to what went on at the other one!)

[five one]

Just keeping up with THIS forum is getting to be a full-time job :D .
How do those of you who read and post on BJ and TE have time to do anything else (like ride your bikes) ;) :confused: :eek: ?? I try to be selective, but even still...

I guess time management is not one of my strong suits.

[Pax]

My old motorcycling forum is so utterly vulgar and cruel that I would go to bed either sad or angry after almost every evening of posting. I kept thinking that since I was one of the people who helped build the forum I wasn't going to be chased off by a bunch of sophomoric classless idiots...well the idiots won and I'm gone from there.

[mimitabby]

Just keeping up with THIS forum is getting to be a full-time job :D .
How do those of you who read and post on BJ and TE have time to do anything else (like ride your bikes) ;) :confused: :eek: ?? I try to be selective, but even still...

I guess time management is not one of my strong suits.

I go to BJ about 20 minutes per week. not that much; usually because DH wants me to read something...

[caligurl]

Just keeping up with THIS forum is getting to be a full-time job :D .
How do those of you who read and post on BJ and TE have time to do anything else (like ride your bikes) ;) :confused: :eek: ?? I try to be selective, but even still...

I guess time management is not one of my strong suits.

i have a very, very, very slack job! lol! (speaking of riding.... i'm stuck at work and it's ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS out there today! go figure!)

[five one]

i have a very, very, very slack job! lol! (speaking of riding.... i'm stuck at work and it's ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS out there today! go figure!)

Mine is kind of slack right now. I work at a community college and we're between semesters. I *should* be doing things I normally don't have time to do, but here I am...

Our weather is beautiful right now, too, but we need rain badly. I hope it stays nice through the weekend though. Actually, I want to live in Camelot!

[mimitabby]

i have a very, very, very slack job! lol! (speaking of riding.... i'm stuck at work and it's ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS out there today! go figure!)

what do you do Caligurl?

[snapdragen]

How did this person know you reported it? The "bad post" button only sends emails to the moderators on TE.

[KnottedYet]

I like BikeJournal, too. It's kinda like a co-ed TE.

I spend about 1/5 my "forum time" over on BikeJournal. Mostly lurking. (I'm a big fan of Pansy Palmetto)

The moderators there are pretty quick to act, but they're also pretty quick here on TE.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience on that "other" forum, EastHill.

yeah, that joke would be ok told to me by a friend in private, but posted on a public forum it is pretty bad manners. And to attack you is worse manners.

[caligurl]

what do you do Caligurl?

"if i told you i'd have to kill you"

i work for the government!

[caligurl]

How did this person know you reported it? The "bad post" button only sends emails to the moderators on TE.

she posted the blurb from the rules about no vulgarity and no sexist posts... that's what he was reponding to.... (which was still a personal attack)

reports to the mods there only go to the mods, too....

[chickwhorips]

"if i told you i'd have to kill you"

i work for the government!

i have that same job and work load cali! go us!!! :D

this is the only forum i've ever posted on, first one i found and stuck to it. wow am i lucky!

[Triskeliongirl]

I left the bicycling mag forum cuz there were just some really obnoxious folks there. They actually deleted me against my wishes from their 'club' on bike journal, cuz I wouldn't give them my mileage, and one fellow in particular, who often posted about how good his wife was in bed was obnoxious to me, so I came here. A lot of that 'bikeporn' crap was posted there too. It doesn't bug me that it exists, but I have no interest in viewing it. I log my miles on BJ, but don't hang out too much since their policies are too politically correct for my liking. There was a recent discussion if a link to the Onion should be deleted as offensive. PLLLLLEASE, we are all adults with a range of political views. TE strikes a happy medium, we all agree for the most part as to what is offensive and inappropriate.

[Veronica]

I try to be as offensive and inappropriate as possible. :D

I believe I'll have another cookie.

V.

[jobob]

pops head up

did someone say cookie ??? :)

[Mr. Bloom]

A lot of that 'bikeporn' crap was posted there too. It doesn't bug me that it exists, but I have no interest in viewing it.

Confession time: My sentiments precisely. Early in life, I developed an obsession with porn. I was exposed at a young age to the Playboy's that a friend's dad had. I struggled with this well into adulthood.

But, I see it as a non-productive obsession. This is one thing that draws me to this forum...it is safe and does not even remotely trigger flashbacks to past addictions...and it is an addiction the same as alcoholism.

Scripture says: "All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body."

I personally don't want to be exposed to this either.

For the record, I checked out some of the other forums...and they're not the same. I hope that you are knowing that I'm not trying to change the chemistry, but I enjoy my occassional visits...:) :)

[KnottedYet]

"bike porn crap"

:confused:
I thought "bike porn" was just pictures of pretty bikes? I'm so naive...

[Triskeliongirl]

"bike porn crap"

:confused:
I thought "bike porn" was just pictures of pretty bikes? I'm so naive...

On the 'other sites' bike porn are those pictures of naked women sitting on bikes...............

Again, its not that it morally offends me, it just doesn't interest me, same goes for hearing about the sexual exploits of the male members.

[snapdragen]

she posted the blurb from the rules about no vulgarity and no sexist posts... that's what he was reponding to.... (which was still a personal attack)

reports to the mods there only go to the mods, too....

I see. I couldn't see Bike Forums at work, some sites are blocked others aren't. (Government job too...:rolleyes: )

[Veronica]

...hearing about the sexual exploits of the male members.

That's just gross.

V.

[Trek420]

That's just gross.

V.

and probably fictional :rolleyes: ;) :rolleyes: :cool:

[BikeMomma]

pops head up

did someone say cookie ??? :)
....it IS Girl Scout cookie season!
Thin Mints are the best creation of mankind since the bicycle. Starbucks came after. :p
~K

[Geonz]

Naw... the shortcake and chocolate ones... but tomorrow I'll hit 400 miles for the year and today my FUDGE got delivered :) :) :) - bikejournal challenge to get to 400 by valentine's day with fudge reward, so I ordered some ;) (BUT I am going to HOLD OFF for Valentine's day or at least 2/7 because I *think* htat is somebody's* 60th.)

[salsabike]

That's just gross.

V.

YOU are funny.

PS See her play on words above

[East Hill]

I may not read the right threads, but it seems like CyclingForums (the other board I read and post to) is more civil than BikeForums? Not to say that there are not some real jerks and trolls over there, but it doesn't seem as if it's as constant. They have banned some folks for threats and personal attacks or inappropriate postings.

I will have to wander over there as well, then.

East Hill

[East Hill]

Just keeping up with THIS forum is getting to be a full-time job :D .
How do those of you who read and post on BJ and TE have time to do anything else (like ride your bikes) ;) :confused: :eek: ?? I try to be selective, but even still...

I guess time management is not one of my strong suits.

If you're like me, I can access these sites through my workplace at break time. I also work graveyard, so most of my riding is done in the morning. I usually look through interesting stuff on the computer just before I go to bed.

And I'm a fast reader!

East Hill

[roguedog]

hmm.. can't see link. odd.. i have a bf login. not that i **really** need to see it. more curious why i can't.

says I don't have the right permissions:

$bbuserinfo[username], you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

[East Hill]

I went back there, it's finally been removed. It only took what, 18 hours?

I guess the colour of our money is not as good as someone else's. We know where to vote.

Did I mention that this is another reason to support TE? :D

Now if we could only become donating members here. Or can we?

East Hill

[wannaduacentury]

Hi Everyone- Since I see a recurring problem w/ other boards having yucky, objectionable junk on them, I thought I'd share this. I'm not trying to advertise, but wanted you to be aware that it is a decent board. I( myself) is the community leader there and We don't allow "junk" on it and "junk" is reported. The board is slower than this one ,but nice. You're welcome to visit or join.
"TE is the only other cycling forum I go to daily. I come here for info, hang out, and cyber fun w/ this great group of ladies(and gent) and I'm community leader of Cycling & Triathlons over at ivillage.com. Since I head up that board, I keep it clean and fun like I receive here. So anyone is welcome to visit. Ivillage has strict rules too and I like them, they help keep spammers and inapproprite conversations off the boards." Jennifer

Here's the link
http://messageboards.ivillage.com/iv-fbextreme

[lowcel]

i hear ya, east hill!

i HATE the moderation... or rather lack of moderation... at that forum....


I'm very sorry to hear this. We do our best to look into every issue and take a vote on any item that is borderline. We then decide what to do each and every time either of you report a thread. We do our very best and will continue to do our thankless (volunteer) jobs. I'm sorry we don't meet your expectations.

lowcel

[lowcel]

I went back there, it's finally been removed. It only took what, 18 hours?

I guess the colour of our money is not as good as someone else's. We know where to vote.

Did I mention that this is another reason to support TE? :D

Now if we could only become donating members here. Or can we?

East Hill

Your money has absolutely nothing to do with it. All members are treated equally no matter how much money they have donated, even if they have not donated a penny.

[East Hill]

lowcel, you should read the rest of the thread very carefully.

I made a valid complaint about the tenor of some of the 'jokes'. I was lambasted by a member. It's not funny. It's harrasment. It's not just me that doesn't like it.

You have lost members by disparaging our point of view, and I know moderating is a thankless job.

It still doesn't excuse the rudeness of some of the members. You should take a look at some of the SoCal forum's posts from the past day. It's not funny, and it disparages members from both TE and BF.

I like both TE and BF--at least the forums I visit. But I don't want to have to look at infantile crap everytime I look at something besides C & V.

We're asking for understanding. We can't vent over there--we have been harassed for doing so.

East Hill

[lowcel]

lowcel, you should read the rest of the thread very carefully.

I made a valid complaint about the tenor of some of the 'jokes'. I was lambasted by a member. It's not funny. It's harrasment. It's not just me that doesn't like it.

You have lost members by disparaging our point of view, and I know moderating is a thankless job.

It still doesn't excuse the rudeness of some of the members. You should take a look at some of the SoCal forum's posts from the past day. It's not funny, and it disparages members from both TE and BF.

I like both TE and BF--at least the forums I visit. But I don't want to have to look at infantile crap everytime I look at something besides C & V.

We're asking for understanding. We can't vent over there--we have been harassed for doing so.

East Hill

I still don't see what money has to do with it. I guess I just don't understand.

[East Hill]

The money is to show support here.

East Hill

[KnottedYet]

You can help support the TE board by buying stuff from Team Estrogen. (hit "click to shop" at the upper left corner of the screen)

[caligurl]

i have that same job and work load cali! go us!!! :D

http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/95.gif


I left the bicycling mag forum cuz there were just some really obnoxious folks there.

me, too! over a year and a half ago....


I try to be as offensive and inappropriate as possible. :D

I believe I'll have another cookie.

V.

i just gained 5 pounds, thank you very much http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/140.gif




Did I mention that this is another reason to support TE? :D

Now if we could only become donating members here. Or can we?

i think we "donate" by buying.. which reminds me... there's a couple of things i want to order before they are gone!

(oh.... someone else already said that!)

[IFjane]

I consider myself fortunate not to have experienced anything like some of you have - but then, TE is only the second forum I have ever visited. The first was Terry - no problems there either. I met jeannierides over there and she told me about this one. I've been here ever since.

Thanks, jeannierides! :D :D

(I just ordered something from the TE sale pages - yay!)

[mimitabby]

(I just ordered something from the TE sale pages - yay!)

I just drooled for the 200th time at the castelli orange jersey on sale for $99.
sorry, I am just too cheap to spring that for a 5th orange jersey!

[caligurl]

ok.... link, please? (not that i have $99 to spend on a single jersey... AND orange would clash with ruby!)

i'm not telling which ones i'm looking at cuz i don't want you all to buy them before i order them! http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/149.gif

[mimitabby]

ok.... link, please? (not that i have $99 to spend on a single jersey... AND orange would clash with ruby!)

i'm not telling which ones i'm looking at cuz i don't want you all to buy them before i order them! http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/149.gif

http://www.teamestrogen.com/products.asp?pID=20015

isn't that purdy? http://www.teamestrogen.com/images/products/CI-A6003034_lrg.jpg

[caligurl]

oh VERY purdy, mimi!!!! and feminine (and no stinkin' flower patterns!!!!)

yes.... i can see why you are drooling!!! *here's a tissue to wipe your chin*

[Bluetree]

On the 'other sites' bike porn are those pictures of naked women sitting on bikes...............

This is my version of bike porn... ! :D :D :D

[caligurl]

i actually LOVE the women's pink and black orbea! and i'm NOT a pink road bike fan... but ya.... the orbea's have ALWAYS been a favorite of mine....... *drool* love their lines...........

[East Hill]

You know, I love that orange, but I think it would make me look like a pumpkin, and it would definitely clash with my red hair.

Perhaps I'd better start shopping...

East Hill

[chickwhorips]

....it IS Girl Scout cookie season!


i am offended by this considering there are no girl scouts by me that have cookies! http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i295/fairie1323/gaah.gif where do i complain?

[mimitabby]

i am offended by this considering there are no girl scouts by me that have cookies! http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i295/fairie1323/gaah.gif where do i complain?

no cookies? How about cookie orders? we have a sign up sheet here in the office for a very ambitious little brownie daughter of a coworker.

and Bluetree,
that's why we're all here; because we agree with you about what bikeporn should be!

[SR500]

no cookies? How about cookie orders? we have a sign up sheet here in the office for a very ambitious little brownie daughter of a coworker.

and Bluetree,
that's why we're all here; because we agree with you about what bikeporn should be!


Cookies, cookies, how many do you want:) My daughter has been selling, mostly to her Grandma's, for a week or so. $3.50 a box seems high, but she'll sell about 50 boxes I guess.

[chickwhorips]

no cookie orders around here. maybe when i go in for my next surgery they'll still be around and i can find some somewhere.

[East Hill]

Dare I make a suggestion? Probably impossible...

We need to convince TE to sell Girl Scout Cookies.

Call it anti-bonk carbohydrates or something, it sounds better that way.

I haven't seen any in ages--we aren't allowed to solicit at work at all, no Avon or Mary Kay, no cookies, not even any school chocolate bars...

East Hill

[Duck on Wheels]

yeah, that joke would be ok told to me by a friend in private, but posted on a public forum it is pretty bad manners. And to attack you is worse manners.

I agree. That joke wasn't the worst I've ever heard or seen, but it falls into a generally nasty category of sexist jokes where the point is that women have some sort of moral duty to put on fat where men like to see it and avoid it where men don't like to see it, any woman who fails to distribute her fat in this unnatural fashion deserves to be humiliated, and any woman who doesn't think this is funny has no sense of humor. Yukk! And that last step is waaaay out of line!

[chickwhorips]

the point is that women have some sort of moral duty to put on fat where men like to see it and avoid it where men don't like to see it, any woman who fails to distribute her fat in this unnatural fashion deserves to be humiliated,

not sure if this justifies the candy bar i just ate, or makes me feel guilty about eating it.

either way, it was good!

[Duck on Wheels]

On the 'other sites' bike porn are those pictures of naked women sitting on bikes...............

Again, its not that it morally offends me, it just doesn't interest me, same goes for hearing about the sexual exploits of the male members.

Ah, but some of us do like that photo of Lance .... ;)

[Bluetree]

wakes up, rubs eyes

Huh?! Hmmmm.. anyone mention Lance?

[BikeMomma]

This is my version of bike porn... ! :D :D :DBlue -- one of the guys I ride with just bought that bike, say about a month ago. JUST as beautiful in person if not way way more. The frame design is just too cool, and it really does remind you of its namesake.

Bike porn, indeed...
~BikeMomma

[BikeMomma]

i am offended by this considering there are no girl scouts by me that have cookies! http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i295/fairie1323/gaah.gif where do i complain?
Chick -
PM me your real name & address....I'll send ya a box on me. You Alaskans need to "feed the need," too. :D
~BikeMomma

[bambu101]

CWR- I have a box of Thin Mints in my desk at work that I would love to send you. Is your address the same as the Christmas card exchange address?
Please PM me, and let me know and I'll send them out.

Wendy

[Duck on Wheels]

wakes up, rubs eyes

Huh?! Hmmmm.. anyone mention Lance?

No. Lance was a drift. The point was nudity vs. porn, where not all nudity is at the expense of dignity. Some nudity-on-a-bike is clearly not porn -- not because it is male nudity, but because the picture obviously is not about a body's sexual availability to the viewer. The Lance picture is about the body one builds as a biker and the relationship between biker and bike.

The "naked-woman-posing-in-the-vicinity-of-a-bike" pictures that women tend to find offensive are (just like naked-woman-on-the-hood-of-a-car or naked-woman-[fill in random excuse for pose here]) merely about making some excuse for getting porn pictures into yet another social context where men can be enticed into buying a product by being made to feel that, as viewers, they are the ones at the receiving end of some "come-and-take-me" expression on a sexually exaggeratedly attractive body.

Sorry the post was so cryptic. I thought about it after, that my point was far from clear. But it was late and I needed to sleep rather than edit.

OK gals. Back to other drifts. We seem to be done with the original topic here. ;) :p I'm off for another cuppa at the campus cafe. With a cookie this time. Yesterday I got cramps in both calves at spin class. I clearly had not had enough cookies at work before hitting the gym.

[BikeMomma]

:p
OK gals. Back to other drifts. We seem to be done with the original topic here. ;) :p Errr....durn it. I think that was my fault...was it? Hmmm....yea, I think it was. Sorry, I DO apologize. I think I'll have a cookie to help me feel better. :p

If anyone would like to continue talking about pictures of naked women on bikes and the men that post them just to piss us off, please do -- and perhaps I'll join in and actually behave myself. I personally would rather talk about cookies (or naked MEN on bikes....:p ). Call me weird.


Yesterday I got cramps in both calves at spin class. I clearly had not had enough cookies at work before hitting the gym.Well, get it together, Woman!! :p Here, here's one to get you started. Pure evil.

2558

Sorry, I'm just feisty today...yep, must be friday...:D :D
~Bike "trouble on the keyboard" Momma

[caligurl]

i'm sorry... but i HAVE to call for the banning of bikemomma for posting that SINFUL picture! i gained 10 pounds just looking at it (and DROOLING over it!)

[East Hill]

I don't think we would want to ban poor bikeMomma over that biccie photo--we have only ourselves to blame for lusting after that poor cookie (or biscuit--variant British terminology).

You are all making me hungry, and this after having a lovely scone, made by Mr. East Hill, fresh out of the oven...etc.

East Hill

[caligurl]

but.... But... BUTTTTTTT she's a menace to my hips! isn't that against the rules??????????? http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/231.gifhttp://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/218.gif

[jobob]

So, join the Climbing Club !

One thousand feet of climbing = one cookie.
Unless it's real steep, then you get two.

How's that? :)

[Triskeliongirl]

No. Lance was a drift. The point was nudity vs. porn, where not all nudity is at the expense of dignity. Some nudity-on-a-bike is clearly not porn -- not because it is male nudity, but because the picture obviously is not about a body's sexual availability to the viewer. The Lance picture is about the body one builds as a biker and the relationship between biker and bike. .....

Exactly my point. For example, I have this poster in my office http://www.cyclesgladiator.com/ (a new office gift from my daughter)
and while it depicts a nude women and a bike it is clearly ART. That is different from the crap that is posted at some of the coed sites. And again, I respect free expression, I don't care that some men view that sort of thing, I just choose not to. But, I did have an EEOC officer notice the poster on my wall, and ask me if anyone had told me they were offended by it, and if so I would have to take it down. I asked her how could anyone be offended by art, and these are medical students so they really shouldn't be offended by a tasteful image of the human body.

[chickwhorips]

Well, get it together, Woman!! :p Here, here's one to get you started. Pure evil.

2558



oh ya that is pure evil. those ones are the best!!!!!! http://qb.smugmug.com/photos/102799722-Ti.gif

[caligurl]

http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/220.gif

hi lowcel! do you want to buy some girl scout cookies, too? (yes... we see you lurking!)

[East Hill]

This is why we have boring plain governmental calendars at work! No one gets offended, except for those who just don't like work!

Oh, and we do allow puppies and kitten calenders. Flowers, too. I've got one of my orchid calenders up.

Speaking of which, I guess I shouldn't have the orchid calender up, 'cuz I know someone here knows the origin of the word 'orchid'...:)

East Hill

[mimitabby]

This is why we have boring plain governmental calendars at work! No one gets offended, except for those who just don't like work!

Oh, and we do allow puppies and kitten calenders. Flowers, too. I've got one of my orchid calenders up.

Speaking of which, I guess I shouldn't have the orchid calender up, 'cuz I know someone here knows the origin of the word 'orchid'...:)

East Hill

at least two of us know what that word means.

[caligurl]

well i work for the government... so you KNOW it's all clean and sanitary around here!


but i do have a "big dogs" calendar... i love big dogs' parodies! oh... and LOTS Of pics of my hubby and babies (furry kind on my walls and desk!)

[caligurl]

So, join the Climbing Club !

One thousand feet of climbing = one cookie.
Unless it's real steep, then you get two.

How's that? :)

ya know... i WANT to join the climbling club... but it needs to get WARMER! i haven't climbed a hill in i can't remember how long cuz it's been too stinking cold for me to ride much less climb to a higher COOLER elevation!

hmmmmmm 5000 only 5 cookies? and another 5 for the 5000 foot descent??????? that's better!

[East Hill]

at least two of us know what that word means.

Stand by for more revelations about ....


Paphiopedilums!

Actually, the genus Orchis is quite appropriately named, as one tuber is always larger than the other. The one tuber is the current, growing tuber, the other is the one dying and losing nourishment...

East Hill

[lowcel]

http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/220.gif

hi lowcel! do you want to buy some girl scout cookies, too? (yes... we see you lurking!)

I appreciate the offer but I am actually having a hard time turning them down this year from my friends that are selling them for their kids. Unfortunately I am in the process of getting back down to race weight so I have to pass. It isn't easy though. :(

[East Hill]

I'm going to have to ask Mr. East Hill if he sees anyone selling biccies in front of the local supermarkets. There must be someone selling biccies out there, darn it.

East Hill

[chickwhorips]

i'm a gov't worker too, but i have a far side calendar, everyone else has one that is from our contest that we do with the kids across the state.
good thing everyone has a good sense of humor around here.
i had an aunty-stress (http://www.calendars.com/xq/asp/PID.1/MGID.4331/IID.27027/qx/product.htm) one last year that was a big hit.

[East Hill]

The boring calenders are government. The puppy/kitten calenders are free from one of the local pet shops! So they actually have birds and (one) snake as well for the various months.

East Hill

[emily_in_nc]

but i do have a "big dogs" calendar... i love big dogs' parodies! oh... and LOTS Of pics of my hubby and babies (furry kind on my walls and desk!)

I have two calendars up in my cubicle, side-by-side, that I got for Christmas. One, from DH, is "tropical island scenes" - gorgeous photography, very tasteful. The other "Emily the Strange" is all black and red, very goth and dark. I just like to keep my co-workers guessing... So far no one has complained!

:D

Emily

[BikeMomma]

i'm sorry... but i HAVE to call for the banning of bikemomma for posting that SINFUL picture! i gained 10 pounds just looking at it (and DROOLING over it!)That WAS pretty bad, huh? heehee! All in good fun.... Hope you didn't drool too much. :p Just imagine what I went through trying to find the picture! Wading through all those cookie pics -- THAT was torture! :D

~BikeMomma :)

[East Hill]

I may not read the right threads, but it seems like CyclingForums (the other board I read and post to) is more civil than BikeForums? Not to say that there are not some real jerks and trolls over there, but it doesn't seem as if it's as constant. They have banned some folks for threats and personal attacks or inappropriate postings.
I don't know, Eden, virtually the first thread I read was this one:

http://www.cyclingforums.com/t350478.html

I read a couple more things, and I don't know that I like the way sexist things are left for viewing, instead of getting removed. I saw a lot of posts that made me feel 'icky'--quite a few of them from the OP of the thread I've listed.

Apparently it's much more difficult to be sensitive than I had imagined. I am still appalled at the answer I got from one moderator:

"As for would it bother me if my wife looked at that thread, why would it? She is free to look at whatever she wants. Would it upset her, I doubt it but it is possible I guess."

This goes back to what Veronica said:

"Our instruction in sexual harassment says that if someone tells you they are offended, you need to stop."

I did complain, and I was offended. It's a co-ed site, not a private member's club.

Even where I work, we've had problems with harassment. I remember one poor Vietnamese woman who was harassed mercilessly by one of the custodial staff. He had a long history of harassing Asian women. This poor woman was even afraid to go to the bathroom because he would follow her into the bathroom! He would pretend that he was going to clean, you see.

I finally complained enough to one of the managers that this man was finally officially given a discussion. In over twenty years, no one had gotten this man pinned down on paper. As far as my workplace was concerned, this was the very first time he'd ever been given a talk about sexual harassment. He's managed to control himself much better :) .

But I get the feeling that many of the other cycling/bike forums apparently would just rather have women go away. It's just that vibe, you know? I mean, if I'm concerned enough to report a post, why would my concern be ignored? I realise that there's a difference between TE and BF and CF--for one thing CF does not appear to have any forum guidelines--at least not where the members can see it for review--but BF and TE certainly do. Why post guidelines if you don't ensure that members abide by the rules?

So, I'm still looking for other friendly sites, but it still looks as if TE is the happiest place for women.

East Hill

[Eden]

I don't know, Eden, virtually the first thread I read was this one:

http://www.cyclingforums.com/t350478.html


East Hill


Gosh - when I read it I thought that sure, the first person was obviously and obnoxious teenage boy, but if you read further a bunch of men got on and basically told him to shut up and stop whining (and some women too), no one else on the board fed into it and the little troll got shut down. I guess I've never felt that the community as a whole over there was unsupportive to women. Even if a woman gets on and says I'm just starting out I'm overweight and I going to be able to do this -- the guys and gals can be pretty supportive.

[mimitabby]

Gosh - when I read it I thought that sure, the first person was obviously and obnoxious teenage boy, but if you read further a bunch of men got on and basically told him to shut up and stop whining (and some women too), no one else on the board fed into it and the little troll got shut down. I guess I've never felt that the community as a whole over there was unsupportive to women. Even if a woman gets on and says I'm just starting out I'm overweight and I going to be able to do this -- the guys and gals can be pretty supportive.

hahaha, i read it too. They gave him a new... oh, never mind. But it's nice to be able to
come here and not have to deal with that kind of bs.

[East Hill]

Perhaps I will have to wander around some more over there then, but the impression I got from reading the thread was that all the responders to the OP were female, right up until the last person, who is obviously a male administrator. And he was right, that was a troll. But I read some of the OP's other posts, and he was obnoxious in those too.

I think I must just have found a bad one right off. But I think the point I've been making here is that, right or wrong, one's first impression is important.

If a woman comes here, and it's her first venture into the wide world of cycling, it's likely to be a positive encounter. But if she were to read a thread such as the one I posted just a few posts back, or something like this:

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=263919

She might not be feeling so loved. Most of the comments in the thread refer to a woman's sexuality. The last comment in particular is highly offensive, but no one seems to care.

(The thread above had a photo removed by a moderator. It is the cover of the catalogue in the link and features a young woman in a bathing suit)

I mean, I don't know about the rest of you, but if I were to go to a forum about cats, I would not expect to see photos of naked/semi naked women in order to sell cat litter. I've been assured that marketing in Europe is different, but the people making the comments in the above thread are from the United States. It's been stated here (somewhere :) ) that cycling is a co-ed sport. Sometimes that's hard to believe.

Perhaps I'm just cranky from having to work six days a week...or perhaps I still believe in trying to change the world to a better place, if not for myself, but for the girls who may be just starting out as cyclists.

East Hill