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kelownagirl
01-08-2007, 09:10 PM
I am starting back on the diet today so thought I'd weigh in and try to help to motivate myself by declaring my goals. Today I weigh 126 (only up about 1.5 lbs since early December so I'm glad about that). My goal is to get to 115 by April 1. Anyone else changing their eating habits/exercising for a NY resolution?

Bikingmomof3
01-08-2007, 09:22 PM
I am working on building more lean muscle and shedding excess fat in doing so. So my scale will reead about the same (may go up), but it is just a number. I can more about my lean muscle mass. So, I will be working out a tad more and eating more, since for me, this is for life and it must be something I can maintain for my lifetime. :)

ribbit_zap
01-08-2007, 10:10 PM
I got a lot to lose...but I am starting in on the diet and training this week. I just got my first bike, but I am hopefully that I will see at least some changes in the coming weeks. I have about 20 pounds to lose...problem being, I have a lot of dense muscle (making me weigh more) from rowing that I would like to turn into lean muscle. I have lost one pound this week just from cleaning up the diet a little after the holidays.

GLC1968
01-09-2007, 07:36 AM
I started my program on Dec 3rd and while I was down 3.5 lbs...now I'm only down 3.0 lbs! Not bad considering my lack of exercise the last week of December (and the holiday treats!).

I haven't weighed officially yet this week, but my main goal is to regulate my intake while upping my activity. I'd like to lose 20 lbs by May 5th (3-State, 3-Mountain), but weight loss is my secondary goal. :)

matagi
01-10-2007, 06:31 PM
Weight hasn't changed since before Christmas (at least it hasn't gone up) - looks like the dreaded plateau has hit. :(

Oh well,looks like its time for a review of the diet and an increase in exercise intensity.

kelownagirl
01-11-2007, 08:19 PM
Well I've done 1200 calories a day for 4 days - hope I can keep it up for another 3. I should be able to lose at least one pound by Sunday, I hope.

On Day At A Time....

crazycanuck
01-12-2007, 04:50 AM
Slowly the weight is coming off. I have to admit my meals at night have been rather small but i'm not really that hungry...

I'm at 64kg atm & want to lose 9 more-would like to lose the rest this year but it's not a horrible thing if i only lose 5..!!!

c

mtbdarby
01-12-2007, 10:43 AM
KG, 1200 cal a day is a b*tch isn't it?! This is day 5 for me and I cracked a little. I've been starving the last 2 days, doing split workouts and biking every other day. Today I added 200 calories. I'm still hungry but not starving. I did step on the scale and I'm down 4 pounds this week. I'll up the calories to 1500 next week and shoot for a 2 pound loss. I aspire to weight where you're at now:p

Offthegrid
01-12-2007, 11:17 AM
I've been away from TE for a while, but I lost 1.25 pounds this week (but gained 1 lb the previous week).

Mr. Bloom
01-13-2007, 03:08 AM
Let's all keep it up! Taking kelownagirl's lead, let's make our battle cry:


ODAAT!!

"One Day at a Time";) ;)

Sorry, guys thrive on battle crys...comes with the testosterone.

Trek420
01-13-2007, 07:28 AM
I am working on building more lean muscle and shedding excess fat in doing so. So my scale will reead about the same (may go up), but it is just a number. I can more about my lean muscle mass. So, I will be working out a tad more and eating more, since for me, this is for life and it must be something I can maintain for my lifetime. :)

I'm with you on that one.

Doing nothing more than training for my two previous AIDS rides, no change in diet alone other than trying for more nutrition I dropped a lot of inches, I went down 4 pants sizes.

But my weight stayed the same.

Especially last ride oh baby I enjoyed the "bigger engine". That was fun! Chugging up hills I walked before, spinning up hills I plodded before...flying up a couple of hills I spun before...stopping on hills so I could give a stalled rider a running sprint push start.

Going by the numbers my weights scarey bad :eek: , 172 for 5'1" :eek:

Just gearing up now for June and wearing the same clothes. I feel good but would like to have to replace all of my jeans. The goal is be down to a 14 or even 12 by June.

I don't care about the weight, I just want to get stronger.

At 50 I figure I'm loosing muscle mass at a frightening clip.

Take care of the strength and the weight will take care of itself. That's my estrogen filled battle cry ;-)

Pax
01-13-2007, 07:34 AM
Let's all keep it up! Taking kelownagirl's lead, let's make our battle cry:


ODAAT!!

"One Day at a Time";) ;)

Sorry, guys thrive on battle crys...comes with the testosterone.

You puzzle me Mr. Silver, this is a primarily womens board...thus the name Team Estrogen, yet you post frequently. Typically men show up and post a few questions or check up on some issues for their SO but they don't stay around much after that. Are you planning on staying here permanently or is this a short term thing?

Pax
01-13-2007, 07:40 AM
I'm with you on that one.

Doing nothing more than training for my two previous AIDS rides, no change in diet alone other than trying for more nutrition I dropped a lot of inches, I went down 4 pants sizes.

But my weight stayed the same.

Especially last ride oh baby I enjoyed the "bigger engine". That was fun! Chugging up hills I walked before, spinning up hills I plodded before...flying up a couple of hills I spun before...stopping on hills so I could give a stalled rider a running sprint push start.

Going by the numbers my weights scarey bad :eek: , 172 for 5'1" :eek:

Just gearing up now for June and wearing the same clothes. I feel good but would like to have to replace all of my jeans. The goal is be down to a 14 or even 12 by June.

I don't care about the weight, I just want to get stronger.

At 50 I figure I'm loosing muscle mass at a frightening clip. Take care of the strength and the weight will take care of itself.

Since I switched to the primarily vegan diet and added two days a week to my workout schedule I've been feeling fantastic but my weight isn't budging much (well not since that first glorious week of having it fall off of me :D ). I don't really mind though because I'm stronger and feel good, like you said "the weight will take care of itself".

kelownagirl
01-13-2007, 07:47 AM
I'm with you on that one.

Doing nothing more than training for my two previous AIDS rides, no change in diet alone other than trying for more nutrition I dropped a lot of inches, I went down 4 pants sizes.

But my weight stayed the same.

Especially last ride oh baby I enjoyed the "bigger engine". That was fun! Chugging up hills I walked before, spinning up hills I plodded before...flying up a couple of hills I spun before...stopping on hills so I could give a stalled rider a running sprint push start.

Going by the numbers my weights scarey bad :eek: , 172 for 5'1" :eek:

Just gearing up now for June and wearing the same clothes. I feel good but would like to have to replace all of my jeans. The goal is be down to a 14 or even 12 by June.

I don't care about the weight, I just want to get stronger.

At 50 I figure I'm loosing muscle mass at a frightening clip.

Take care of the strength and the weight will take care of itself. That's my estrogen filled battle cry ;-)

I wish I could do that - just exercise and lose the fat (you're right, I don't care about the weight so much but I DO want to get rid of the layer of fat that covers them.) I have found that I can maintain my weight by exercising and I gain weight when I stop. I can only lose weight by changing what I eat (ie diet). I do weight training for shape and strength, and ride for cardio. If I end up staying the same weight, but losing the fat, I'll be happy. :)

Mr. Bloom
01-13-2007, 12:37 PM
Are you planning on staying here permanently or is this a short term thing?

Queen, Is there a problem? If there is, don't beat around the bush, just say it and I'll be gone...

For the record, type in www.teamtestosterone.com and look where it leads

Trek420
01-13-2007, 02:59 PM
Queen, Is there a problem? If there is, don't beat around the bush, just say it and I'll be gone...

For the record, type in www.teamtestosterone.com and look where it leads

First off I hope everyone can just sit back and sing Kumbaya.

For the record the title of this forum is "Women's (not sure if that's the proper use of the apostrophe) Cycling Discussion Forums, but we's cycling so maybe it's right....anyways....

Yes, we certainly have men who lurk here
Yes, we have guys who come and go (c'mon gals, no pun intended)
and we have our constant allys, Leebob, Bubbah to name a few...

But, Mr. Silver this is more or less sacred space that's been carved out here you've been welcomed to and that's a bit hard to explain.

First of all everything most especially weight is different for women.

It's a girl thang and you might not understand. ;) :cool: :rolleyes:

There are questions on everything from bike design, nutrition...a whole lot of stuff that we can't find anywhere else...we find it here, pretty much only here on TE.

We're extremely protective of this little community and TE.

Secondly granted there's no privacy online, pretty much anyone of you could just show up at my house and say "Hi! You're Trek, right?" (please don't do that unless you call first and or are prepared to help me paint, the place is a mess:) :D :cool: )

But just between me and any and all guys here both registered and open about it like our Mr Silver and anyone just lurking we want you to be aware .... that there are discussions here that are pretty much here and only here because sometimes a gal just wants or NEEDS to talk to other gals.

There sometimes are even issues whether health, personal safety and relationship issues that gals do not want to talk to guys about at all.

Just speaking for myself here, that's all, we just ask you to honor that somehow, this is a very special space.

Pax
01-13-2007, 04:34 PM
Queen, Is there a problem? If there is, don't beat around the bush, just say it and I'll be gone...

For the record, type in www.teamtestosterone.com and look where it leads

I'm not a beat-around-the-bush kinda gal so take my post at face value. As I said, regular participation by a guy here on TE puzzles me. There are innumerable cycling sites that cater to all things male, TE is the only place I've found on the web where I can come and discuss things specific to women and cycling. Trek expressed this much more eloquently than I ever could... "Just speaking for myself here, that's all, we just ask you to honor that somehow, this is a very special space".

Trek420
01-13-2007, 05:55 PM
TE is the only place I've found on the web where I can come and discuss things specific to women and cycling. Trek expressed this much more eloquently than I ever could....

Yep, that's me, I'm eloquent all right. :cool:

A board and community changes all the time, it's never going to stay the same.

New people arrive, people go, members break their elbows and can't type .... and all that.

This board and TE has remained very special for a long time. Those of us who surf a board or two I think are amazed at the quality of discussion here. We treasure this and are frankly a little protective.

From time to time we try to figure out what is it that's so special about this board (why is this board different from all other boards? ;) ).

Some of my best friends are men, got no problem with 'em, I like 'em, like 'em a lot, frankly sometimes I think I like men MORE than some of my straight women friends do. :) ;) :cool:

But can we talk?

One reason why this place is so great frankly is that it's largely if not entirely women only.

The other is for some odd reason the members here are "smarter than the average bear" not to mention funnier.

So this should all work out.

Now...excuse me there's Eagles vs Saints game on, so back to the TV, I gotta watch the play offs, drink beer eat chips and belch. ;) :rolleyes: :cool:

Mr. Bloom
01-13-2007, 08:04 PM
Queen & Trek,

Sorry that it seems I've offended you with my presence and activity.

Maybe I misunderstood the invitations I received to join TE in this thread:

http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=12475

Pax
01-13-2007, 08:41 PM
Queen & Trek,

Sorry that it seems I've offended you with my presence and activity.

Maybe I misunderstood the invitations I received to join TE in this thread:

http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=12475

I'll repeat myself for the third time Mr. Silver, I am not offended, upset, annoyed, or irritated... I am PUZZLED. I'm simply curious about your choice to participate here on TE.

This board is not one where conflict is appreciated so I'll simply let this drop, do whatever you choose to do...I'll keep my puzzlement to myself.

Bluetree
01-14-2007, 04:59 AM
Sorry to butt in, but frankly I think it's kinda endearing to think of Team Estrogen as: "A Forum for Women... and One Guy."

Mr. Bloom
01-14-2007, 05:22 AM
Sorry to butt in, but frankly I think it's kinda endearing to think of Team Estrogen as: "A Forum for Women... and One Guy."

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
((((((((((((((((((((((Bluetree)))))))))))))))))))))))

Pax
01-14-2007, 06:30 AM
Sorry to butt in, but frankly I think it's kinda endearing to think of Team Estrogen as: "A Forum for Women... and One Guy."

One of the things I value most highly about TE is the open and honest way we approach one another. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Blue, however I'll have to respectfully disagree with you (wholeheartedly). Given a choice I would prefer that men confine themselves to an occasional drop-by posting rather than insinuating themselves in as regular members. I'm uncomfortable posting many of my impressions or thoughts here now knowing that male members will be popping up to join the conversation...I can get that on any other board in cyberspace. It makes me sad. :(

Bluetree
01-14-2007, 07:41 AM
Queen, I have no problem with your opinion... I empathise.
I, too, prefer this site to all others. If I were to voice some things on a 'co-ed' forum, I know I'd have to put up with mysogynistic or smart alec jibes (Lisa SH excepted, of course ;) ) on the off chance I would get some constructive feedback.

However, Mr. Silver has not, to my knowledge, been anything other than supportive and respectful to his cycling wife and this community. And, he has given insight on other threads from a male's POV that is very helpful. I would find it suspicious if he (or ANY male for that matter) would be subversely interested in female anatomy/issues, but I have seen no evidence of this. Mr Silver, to me, is just another one of the TE gals, or rather, the oddball roadbike with a kickstand.


P.S. There is an "ignore member" setting in your User CP if it helps.

Pax
01-14-2007, 07:52 AM
Queen, I have no problem with your opinion... I empathise.
I, too, prefer this site to all others. If I were to voice some things on a 'co-ed' forum, I know I'd have to put up with mysogynistic or smart alec jibes (Lisa SH excepted, of course ;) ) on the off chance I would get some constructive feedback.

However, Mr. Silver has not, to my knowledge, been anything other than supportive and respectful to his cycling wife and this community. And, he has given insight on other threads from a male's POV that is very helpful. I would find it suspicious if he (or ANY male for that matter) would be subversely interested in female anatomy/issues, but I have seen no evidence of this. Mr Silver, to me, is just another one of the TE gals, or rather, the oddball roadbike with a kickstand.

It has always been my position to question our societies endless bowing to male privilege, I was curious about Mr. Silvers motivation for posting here which was why I asked him about it. He chose to ignore my question and post replies that he believed supported his being here and he chose to focus on his perception that I was upset/offended by his presence. He never bothered to answer the question so that makes his presence suspect in my opinion.

I don't come to TE to interact on a regular basis with men or to hear their "battle-cries", I will simply place him on ignore so I can continue to post here without having to concern myself with his constant (and unwelcome, to me) presence.

Mr. Bloom
01-14-2007, 08:06 AM
I'll repeat myself for the third time Mr. Silver, I am not offended, upset, annoyed, or irritated... I am PUZZLED. I'm simply curious about your choice to participate here on TE.


Queen, I respect your position and I respect the sanctity of this forum to its members. I will continue to avoid areas that might be sensitive to female members and will not try to be a nuisance. I neither have time nor motivation to be trolling every post for every detail.

As for why I choose to be here, please understand the evolution of my involvement:

Silver was in a wreck and I logged on to keep everyone informed.
Everyone was supportive of BOTH of us and I enjoyed the interaction
Then, I posted something in affirmation of my wife that triggered considerable response from the members AND many INVITED me to join
Then, as I embraced a diet/exercise plan, many members gave me outstanding advice and feedback that has helped me considerably in progressing toward my goal.


So, please don't be puzzled. I'm here because this is a good place AND more than half the time, I will choose a platonic relationship with a woman over one with a 'macho' guy.

Bluetree: Thanks again for the affirmation and support;)

Kelownagirl: I'm sorry to have gotten your thread hi-jacked.:(

Trek420
01-14-2007, 09:19 AM
OK, big heavy sigh.

A bit of background. When my cousing Maurys fiance was killed there was a tremendous outpouring of sympathy for my family.

I invited Maury here to respond and see the support and posts.

He's very grateful for the support shown on TE and may even lurk here (Hi Cuz!) but he's largely gone back to his regular co-ed forum.

I'll try to get him out to one of our TE rides IRL.

He does doubles and considers anything less than that too easy :cool: I understand.

So when Mr Silver asked to join my thought was "we have precident uh, why not?"

That was my feeling.

You will find, Mr. Silver that pretty much nobody is discouraging here, that's the flavor of this board, that's why we're here, that's why we stay.

Nobody would say "noooo, go away, it's a women only board". We're not that type of gal ;-)

"Queen, I respect your position and I respect the sanctity of this forum to its members. I will continue to avoid areas that might be sensitive to female members and will not try to be a nuisance."

oh please.

Once again, perhaps to explain myself further....

You are not a nuisance. yet, and I hope ever

It's not about you.....yet, and i hope ever.

You have brought up some rather intense and extremely complex issues and feelings.

Stand back, the women are having feelings ;-) :cool:

At some point we'd have to deal with anyway so we might as well talk about it now, and now you're here you lucky guy you.

I can imagine it feels perhaps directed at you.

It's not about you.

We've danced around this issue lightly at times past and now here it is in our laps dancing....again

It's not you.

OK?

We'd be going over this angst with any, all and every guy who happens to accidently stroll into the ladies room....and then stays because he's always wanted to know what women talk about when we're away from men and finds out "WOW!!! THIS IS WILD CRAZY WARM FUN INSITEFUL INTENSE WITTY SUPPORTIVE LIFE-AFFIRMING SUPPORTIVE ENCOURAGING SMART INTENSE .... ETC ETC INCREDIBLE STUFF!!!!".


Well yes it is.

:: Elvis voice "Thank you very much". Straightens bra strap takes a bow...:::

::: looks around, shrugs shoulders, ignores guy and now goes back to complaining to others in the room about hot flash, hands $0.50 to gal debating over kotex vs tampon, jokes about how much money I save now not needing 'em. Wonders aloud why they make us pay for them at all ::::

And it happens when you're (again, not about you, men in general) are away

And for some of us only then.

I have three (3) womens bike clubs in my area to go to but some of us don't have access to a womens community outside of this board.

...so this space which only exists here for some and is essential for many and now what do we do?

"I neither have time nor motivation to be trolling every post for every detail."

Well you should, because this stuff is incredible, every word here, why the heck not?

::: puts hands on hips, now looks insulted that you're NOT trolling :::

"As for why I choose to be here, please understand the evolution of my involvement:
[LIST]
Silver was in a wreck and I logged on to keep everyone informed."

That was very sweet and very much appreciated!

" Everyone was supportive of BOTH of us and I enjoyed the interaction"

Of course you did, everyone pretty much does, that's why we're here.

I suppose we'll have to see...

is TE a unique wonderful place because it's women only?

Or is it something else we can't easily define?

Will a guy on board change the board or even destroy the flavor of the board?

Gosh I hope not. I think not.

Will it change the board?

Too late, it has already. :) :cool: :rolleyes: ;)

OK, so here we are, we go one then. Will it be for the better? Or for the worse?

MWBR. Stay tuned to TE.

I would say in closing this and only this:

There are plenty of co-ed cycling boards, there's only one TE.

Mr. Silver just speaking for myself you are welcome here but please don't mess up ;) :cool: :rolleyes:

What we find here we can only get here and we worry it'll change.

I met most of my ride buddies here, a few I consider good friends and ... my GF. So I'm very vested in this board continuing.

So I hope we can all get along and nobody leaves the seat up.

I have to be honest if this became a fully co-ed board I think I'd leave and that would be very very sad for me. :(

Long live TE!!! :D :cool:

sorry for the hijack, back to your regular scheduled thread.

Punches Mr. Silver on the shoulder, "How 'bout those Seahawks?!!"

kelownagirl
01-14-2007, 09:35 AM
Thank you Trek. You have such a gift with words.

Trek420
01-14-2007, 09:40 AM
OMG, just looked at it....I did go on and on and on and....oopsie :o

Bikingmomof3
01-14-2007, 10:00 AM
You did a nice job Trek. :)

kelownagirl
01-14-2007, 10:08 AM
Well it was funny too. I had to read parts out loud to dh. Loved the comparison to a man walking into the ladies room and deciding to stay. :D :D

I guess I don't mind that Mr. Silver is here but I definitely do not want my dh wandering in. :eek:

Trek420
01-14-2007, 10:18 AM
:::: Elvis voice "Thank you very much". :::: ;) :cool: :rolleyes: :p

LBTC
01-14-2007, 10:26 AM
OMG, just looked at it....I did go on and on and on and....oopsie :o

Trek, I loved your post! I, for one, like Mr. Silver, and often enjoy his posts, but I, too, have mixed feelings....you said it best when you said


I have to be honest if this became a fully co-ed board I think I'd leave and that would be very very sad for me.

Hugs and butterflies to everyone!
~T~

BleeckerSt_Girl
01-14-2007, 10:55 AM
Personally, I don't mind Mr. Silver being here. The circumstances of his evolving participation were not puzzling to me. But I do agree that TE has a unique and wonderful specialness due in great part to it's predominantly female membership.
As we know, guys come here periodically and lurk and read, and sometimes they post, and their posts reveal their unpleasant motives and they are kicked off. (Bluetree, don't even THINK about bringing up those shorts again!) Others probably lurk and never post and are likely here reading anyway out of curiousity. As it is now anyone can join this public forum without a background OR a gender check.
Mr. Silver is respectful and thoughtful and was INVITED by more than one member to join here. Does he really "dishonor" us by his mere presence? He's not dishonoring me, my honor is quite intact and healthy, last time I checked. Is the health and wellbeing of TE actually threatened by having him here? I imagine some would say yes and some no.
But if he IS to be asked to leave only because he is male, it should be done in a kind and thoughtful way, perhaps through the administrators. If that be the case, then TE should then put into place specific and clear rules barring ALL men from being here, period. That would avoid having to argue unpleasantly about whether some individual "belongs" here or not, and would avoid hurt feelings in the future.

All the above are simply my personal opinions on the subject. I don't see it as an all-right or all-wrong kind of thing.

Mr. Bloom
01-14-2007, 01:04 PM
{{{{{{{{{{{{LBTC & Lisa S.H.}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Thanks ya'll:D :D :D :D

Pax
01-14-2007, 01:19 PM
So, several women here post long deeply insightful views on Mr. Silver being here and the only posts he bothers to acknowledge are the ones where he received positive feedback. :rolleyes:

The more I think about it, the more I feel as though this is SO typical of our daily interactions with men. For some reason, in a huge room full of women, one man walks in and makes himself at home and the tone starts to change, we feel the need to make him comfortable and welcome...moreso than when a new woman shows up. Why does this happen in this society? Why is it happening here (and it definitely is, he is a focus of attention as commented on by many participants)? Some find it merely odd or unusual that he is so comfy here and others are somewhat concerned about what he could represent to TE.

Trek420
01-14-2007, 02:12 PM
So, several women here post long deeply insightful views on Mr. Silver being here and the only posts he bothers to acknowledge are the ones where he received positive feedback. :rolleyes:

yeah, you noticed that? :cool: :rolleyes:

again, just speaking for myself.

I'm not wanting this to degenerate into a petition:

_ the guy stays
_ the guy goes

I was thinking, hoping maybe that this could be our usual humorous funny estrogen-laden insightful subtle polite empathetic discussion of:

* why is this board so great
* where do we want it to go?

I've been told not to think too much about what makes this board so great.

I used to think in part it was because some of us actually get to meet each other. But some of us only meet each other here.

Now I think it may be more that it's a "girl thang". But maybe we don't have that anymore and that's sad. Grieve...move on.

I look at it not so much as a guy/gal thing but it's also cultural to me.

It's like back in the 70's in San Francisco I was in a really nice bar/cafe (yes, I'm old).

This was before there was Ellen, or Will and Grace, or Olivia cycling tours, or Rosie and Donald or anything....you had the bar culture to meet and hang out in and that's it.

So anyway we're there and a few straght couples come in and the feeling is "hi, you're welcome here, but uhm uh why are you here? You have every other cafe. We've carved out this little community and have this. Why here?"

Well, like most women I'm much too busy to solve this issue in one thread or explain it all to any that "don't get it", I got things to do...Knott to talk to....groceries to get.....sometimes you either get it or don't. :o

Mr. Bloom
01-14-2007, 02:38 PM
Queen, since you indicated that you had "Ignored" me...a response would not have mattered. If someone is supportive, it is polite to acknowledge and thank them. Notwithstanding that, I'm not going to engage in a flame with you.

I stand on what I have posted on this forum as evidence of my character and I will not be provoked into a battle with you or anyone else.

Can I debate? Sure I can and I'd enjoy it...but I choose not to and I won't.

Now, I'm sure you have good reason for feeling as strongly as you do ... BUT
I am not the stereotype that is the focus of your negative emotions on this issue.

BleeckerSt_Girl
01-14-2007, 03:00 PM
This issue should not degenerate into personal putdowns, everyone.

Bluetree
01-14-2007, 03:10 PM
This is an important topic, so I started a new thread called "Should Men be allowed in a Women's Forum?" in the Open Topic Forum. Let's all take it over there so more people can chime in.

KelownaGirl, my apologies to the total and complete hijack of your topic! :o

kelownagirl
01-14-2007, 04:35 PM
KelownaGirl, my apologies to the total and complete hijack of your topic! :o

LOL, no problem! I enjoy drifting threads and this is certainly an interesting topic of conversation. I will be starting a new week's thread tomorrow anyway. (If no one else does.) :)

mimitabby
01-14-2007, 09:07 PM
OMG, just looked at it....I did go on and on and on and....oopsie :o

Trek, you were eloquent. I am most impressed!