snobs or not?

[Brandi]

When I ride my bike (it is not a road bike), oh it has road tires but it is a hybred of sorts. I like the extra energy I have to put into it to ride. i don't go as fast as the road bikes but it is a solid bike that has been good to me and i can swith it to mountain if I want. None of my bike stuff matches my bike except for maybe my helmit. I wear what works. I notice there are some road bikers that won't even look at me (I don't think I am ugly or anything). I always say hi but they don't always. Are they looking at me and thinking "does she think she is a biker?" It just bother's me sometimes that they are like that. How do some of you road bike women feel when you see a hybred or mountain bike sharing the road? Do you think I am a poser?:D

[Nanci]

I think you can't judge a cyclist by their looks. I am smart enough to know that. I think the snobby riders who won't return a wave are probably like that to everyone, not just you.

Nanci

[Brandi]

It is sad that they are like that. Some day they might need my help, then what?

[sarahkonamojo]

I think nanci is right, they are just aloof. It hurts, though, to feel snubbed. Particularly if you feela kinship to those on two wheels. I always feel friendly towards fellow riders, but I'm not always able to wave or say hello. (I'm huffing and puffing, reading my computer, concentrating on the dog/pedestrian on the trail behind you or spacing out.) And sometimes the hellos can be subtle, such as a raised finger or a nod.

Sarah

[Offthegrid]

Don't give it a second thought if cyclists aren't friendly to you -- it really has very little to do with you but with them.

I've said "hi" to really serious cyclists and have some wave, some nod and some not even acknowledge I was there. I've also said "hi" to recreational riders (people in jeans, etc), and have the same three reactions. Some people are just very serious and caught up within themselves.

[TrekJeni]

I'll admit, I was a bike snob at first! Not that I had anything to be really proud of! I bought the cheapest Trek 1000 road bike in the store. I've since learned that we're all different. Lifestyles, likes/dislikes, budgets, etc. We just NEED to do what makes us happy. If happy means I drag the rusty old 3 speed tucked away in my moms shed that hasn't seen the light of day in 20 years, then so be it!

Someone that will probably get looked down upon by the bike snobs soon as I'm turning my current road bike into a single speed, getting a MTB later this month, and getting a new road bike in the spring. I can't image what "bike snobs" will think when I fly by them on my SS complete with streamers!

Jeni

[Bikingmomof3]

You are not a poser. Try not to give it too much thought. Some people are just not friendly, others are too focused to notice.

[Kimmyt]

Why is not waving at someone you pass on the trail considered snobbish?

Why isn't it just considered 'focused'?

Why should I feel compelled to 'act friendly' to people on a trail who I will never see again after those fleeting seconds in which we pass? To make me feel better? Or to make them feel better?

If I smile and wave at everyone on the trail I pass, my ride will be very happy. But very slooooooow.

K.

[Eden]

This discussion seems to come up rather often these days. I have to say NO- if someone does not wave at you does not make them a snob. I think that it is as unreasonable to expect that every other cyclist on the road/path acknowledge you as it would be to expect every other person on the sidewalk or in a car to acknowledge you when you are using the same mode of transportation as they are.
Everyone is out there for their own reason. They may be wrapped up in thought, they may be working hard, they may just be shy, they might be afraid to take their hands off the bars to wave. They might just be wondering who is that waving- do I know them?
Personally I don't acknowledge every other cyclist on the road. It has nothing to do with what they are riding, how they are dressed etc. If someone waves to me I do my best to acknowledge them back, but we have thousands of cyclists maybe hundreds of thousands around here. I don't consider them all my personal friends just because we all ride bikes. If that makes me a snob, well then I'm a snob, but I hope that people don't judge me based on a second of passing on the street.

[SadieKate]

One of the most recent discussions is here. http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=10248&highlight=roadies

Of course, this in no way prevents more discussion of this same subject again and again and again . . . there is probably some social experiment that could be done to figure out why we expect waves when we're pedaling and not when we just have foot to the car pedal.

[Cassandra_Cain]

Yes, this definitely does come up often and I know of a couple of threads where we've discussed the subject before.

Maybe it keeps coming up as it tends to be one where people hold strong opinions.

My own have evolved the more that I have been riding and go something like this....

Quite honestly, I ride for my own enjoyment and to train for races. I do not leave my house with any idea or sense of establishing camraderie or some feeling of sister/brother-hood with other riders. Nor am I looking to make friends or strike up conversation with cyclists on the road.

Inevitably, I'm out training and pushing myself, so other riders, by and large, don't much show on my radar. If someone waves and I'm aware of them then I'll usually wave back - unless I'm sprinting or in a hard interval - but I no longer go out of my way to acknowledge people.

We all have different reasons and motivations as to why we ride.

I know in some activities, people feel a sort of kinship to others that partake in the same sport/hobby. The reality, IMO, is that we are all out there following our own goals. You can even see it in this forum - some want to lose weight, some want to do a certain mileage, some just want to spend more time with their BF/GF/hubby/wife/etc....some want to win a race - all very individual goals.

I simply do not read anything into someone waving or not waving.

[Adventure Girl]

This discussion seems to come up rather often these days.
<<Sigh>> Yes it has been covered several times. Do we really need to rehash this again?:(

6 pages here:
http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=10248

4 pages here:
http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=10527

And these were within the past 2 months.

[lauraelmore1033]

I have noticed that certain things about cycling and cycling gear reduce one's ability to "read" the emotional state of other riders; Sunglasses mask the expressiveness of eyes, helmets look rather hard and forbidding, mouths are often drawn down in concentration. I know I tend to view "emotionless" behavior as slightly hostile, even though it is hardly ever intended as such-- and I doubt that I am the only one. (Mr Spock was always viewed with suspicion by the crew...) Perhaps that is what we sensitive types are keying in on.

[LBTC]

Some day they might need my help, then what?

Help them. :p

Hugs and butterflies,
~T~

[Nanci]

On the motorcycle, everyone waves (well, gives the stuck out hand or "you rock" or peace sign- it would be pretty uncool to actually wave) And on my bike, if I wave at MC riders, they more often than not wave back.

Kids always wave at cyclists.

[SadieKate]

Remember: Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not be bent out of shape.:)

[Geonz]

See the very lengthy previous discussions of the topic - and you were even there :) How human of us to keep wondering... what do they think of us???

[bcipam]

I have a really good friend who makes fun of folks out on comfort bikes riding along.

I have to remind him although he has 6 custom made bicycles, 3 Ti, and all the top notch equipment there is, he's sitting around with me and not riding so who is the poser????

Sometime people need to be brought down a notch, even best friends! ;)

Never ever worry about what you look like and what equipment you have. If someone thumbs their nose at you, then they are the one with the problem. I fell sorry for them, they just don't get it. What matters is you are out riding. And yes they need to realize you are actually working harder then those guys and gals on lightweight, racing cycles with those skinny 21 tires. Brandi keep riding!

[Hammer]

One of the most recent discussions is here. http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=10248&highlight=roadies

Of course, this in no way prevents more discussion of this same subject again and again and again . . . there is probably some social experiment that could be done to figure out why we expect waves when we're pedaling and not when we just have foot to the car pedal.

Now see, where I live... people on the highway do the index finger salute when they meet people... :D I don't do it ALL of the time, but it's pretty common practice. Not on the interstate though.

[Brandi]

Why is not waving at someone you pass on the trail considered snobbish?

Why isn't it just considered 'focused'?

Why should I feel compelled to 'act friendly' to people on a trail who I will never see again after those fleeting seconds in which we pass? To make me feel better? Or to make them feel better?

If I smile and wave at everyone on the trail I pass, my ride will be very happy. But very slooooooow.

K.
I am sorry if you feel i was talking to you. I don't expect EVERYONE to wave. But there is a road that I ride on that the same people pass me everyday. And not all of them are huffing and puffing and really focused. i respect the fact that there are real serious bikers out there I trained for a year for a serious mountain bike trip. But it is the one's who will look right at you and not say a word or raise a finger after I have climed out of my shell to say hi. I was just thinking it was because of the type of bike I have. Just wondering is all.

[Brandi]

Remember: Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not be bent out of shape.:)
I know practice what I preach.
I like to ask these ? sometimes just to keep it interesting. I know a lot of us say go to this thread it has already been talked about. It is much more fun to talk about it now. And for anyone new.

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

Brandi, it more likely just due to the other people being in their own thought world, rather than them snubbing you because of what kind of bike you have.
Sometimes firends tell me they passed me in their cars and waved to me while I was on my bike, but that I ignored them. Never saw them or noticed them, that's all!
Today I was stopped at an intersection and a group of about 6 motercyclists passed in front of me. I looked at each one with a plain open friendly face. 4 did not acknowledge me- I think they did not notice me. The other two caught my eye and gave me the little nod of respect. Cool.

[velogirl]

I know practice what I preach.
I like to ask these ? sometimes just to keep it interesting. I know a lot of us say go to this thread it has already been talked about. It is much more fun to talk about it now. And for anyone new.

Brandi, I agree with you 100% and thought about commenting on this yesterday.

This is a forum. There are members coming and going all the time. Even if a topic has been discussed in the past, besides the few members who have consistently been here for years, it might be a new topic to a lot of the women.

One of the advantages to a forum (versus an email group) is that you can read what you want and ignore the rest. If someone brings up a topic that's already been discussed, rather than discouraging them from engaging in conversation by sending them to the "old topic," just ignore it. Or jump in and share your perspective. But we're doing a disservice to the members of the forum by shutting them down.

[Velobambina]

Brandi - You are a good soul. Try not to worry about people who aren't considerate enough to acknowledge you. I have that happen to me at least once during my daily ride (and I'm dressed in "roadie" gear, riding a road bike, and usually going at a good clip). I have learned just to ignore it and not take it personally. I grew up in Pittsburgh where saying "hi yinz" to everyone was just what folks did--a very friendly city. Even though I now live in the "snobby inside the beltway suburbs of DC," I will always remain a Pittsburgh girl who will keep saying hi, regardless. Keep smiling and enjoying your ride.

[Veronica]

Brandi, I agree with you 100% and thought about commenting on this yesterday.

This is a forum. There are members coming and going all the time. Even if a topic has been discussed in the past, besides the few members who have consistently been here for years, it might be a new topic to a lot of the women.

One of the advantages to a forum (versus an email group) is that you can read what you want and ignore the rest. If someone brings up a topic that's already been discussed, rather than discouraging them from engaging in conversation by sending them to the "old topic," just ignore it. Or jump in and share your perspective. But we're doing a disservice to the members of the forum by shutting them down.

I think sending them to the old topic lets them see the points of view that have already been discussed by the "squatters" here on TE. As someone who has been here forever it seems :D I actually worry that by posting my same feelings, experiences, views, etc. over and over and over again I am BORING to my faithful readers. As any of my coworkers will tell you, I generally have lots to say and can be counted on to say it. I just don't want to be that doddering old woman who repeats herself constantly, repeats herself...repeats...

V.

[SadieKate]

Thank you, Lorri. You just implied that all statements made before Brandi's post are of no value. Perhaps adding to a conversation found by using the search function would be a benefit to everyone. The new person gets the benefit of previous statements and can add new ideas, maybe even sparking new thoughts from previous posters who might otherwise ignore the thread.

Make what is old new again, but don't ignore it.

[jobob]

Hey, anyone use the Diva Cup?

ducking & running... :D

[velogirl]

Actually, I wasn't implying that at all. I never said to ignore previous posts. When I joined this forum I actually spent days reading old posts -- there's HUGE value there.

When someone refers someone to another post, I interpret that they're saying "we already talked about this and you can read it here, but don't start a new thread on it." I don't interpret it as supplementing the conversation, but rather as diverting and closing it. Perhaps that's because no one ever says "hey, this is an interesting conversation and you might find additional value here." They just refer to the other post with a short comment about how this has already been discussed (by them) and the url.

I guess that's one of the disadvantages of email and forums -- I apparently interpreted these diversions wrong all along as it would seem at least one other person did. Just as a couple of you apparently mis-interpreted my post.

[DDH]

As a fairly newbie, I have to make mention that I have seen the remark many times about something already being discussed. Now please don't bite my head off, and this may just be me being sensetive, but the way I have seen it put, it does tend to come off as shutting the person down and telling them to do a search first.
I have done searches for things before posting about them and I have to tell you, unless you know exactly what the wording is for a particular post you will spend half the day going through post to find what you are looking for.
Maybe I don't know how to do the search right or something but you could spend a lot of time searching for something when it is much easier to just ask again. Espcially when you are new. They have no idea what has or has not been talked about.

On the other side of it, I do like being directed to some of the other post when I don't know how to search or what to search for. I think it just needs to be maybe worded differently so the newbie's don't think "jeez, I guess I am pesky newbie who doesn't know anything".

Mind you not everyone would feel this way, but you have to remember you have all different personality types out there and being sensetive to others isn't a bad thing just in general.

[Veronica]

I tend to redirect when it's something specific, like Spinervals videos or Kurt Kinetic trainers. Things I think it should be easy to do a search on.

But even a word like snob in the search, not even doing an advanced search, brings up relevant past discussions to this thread.

Frankly I go through phases where I just don't respond to some "newbie" questions. It's not that I'm mean, don't care or don't want to help... but answering the same questions over and over becomes tiresome, especially when I know I've put the info out there before and that it's not that hard to find.

Again, I'm talking about specific types of things, that should be easy to search on.

It's never that I want to shut down a conversation. But my time is precious and posting the same things over and over is not always how I want to spend it. Heck I've just spent 13 minutes on this post. :D I know it's 13 because I'm baking cookies.

V.

[DDH]

LOL, Sorry, I don't mean to laugh. The way you put the time thing was just funny. So do we all get to come to your house now for cookies and milk?


I understand what you mean about spending time on answering and then having to re-answer for another. I can see how that would be very frustrating. I think it's our human nature thing coming out where we tend to take things like other peoples time and effort for granted.
I'm sorry if I have ever done that.

As far as people being friendly or not, I think we as humans take that for granted too. I don't think others are being snobs if they don't wave. I really don't think much of it except for maybe a quick thought of "how rude".
I am only speaking of those that look directly at you when you smile and wave and they choose to ignore you. Shoot, I had co-workers do that where I use to work. Walk by, say hi and smile and they look right at you and keep going.
As I hear other people respond I can see now that maybe they had something on their minds and were spaced out for a moment and really didn't see or hear me.
So, I guess we shouldn't make judgements on others unless we know for sure they are just being rude. That would be the lesson of the day. ;)

Now lets all go to V's house for cookies.

[Cassandra_Cain]

I do not mind in the least, revisiting topics that have been discussed. Unlike say, changing the brakes on your bike, a subject like waving or camraderie among cyclists isn't so objective or cut and dry.

People bring different perspectives and in addition, some of our opinions can and do evolve. I know mine have and I like to give others the same flexibility, if they have undergone some change of mind/heart.

If I do not have something to add or feel like discussing a subject (like the one that inspired this thread), then I simply don't contribute - knowing others will add their thoughts on the matter.

[Veronica]

LOL, Sorry, I don't mean to laugh. The way you put the time thing was just funny. So do we all get to come to your house now for cookies and milk?




Sure! It's a REALLY good batch. They are always good, but sometimes they just turn out primo. Today is one of those days.

V.

[velogirl]

Frankly I go through phases where I just don't respond to some "newbie" questions. It's not that I'm mean, don't care or don't want to help... but answering the same questions over and over becomes tiresome, especially when I know I've put the info out there before and that it's not that hard to find. V.

And that's one of the coolest things about a forum like TE. Veronica doesn't have to personally answer every single post because there are 3,000 other women here who might be interested in answering as well. Okay, maybe not 3,000, but a bunch anyways.

[li10up]

Keep in mind that new women to this site are trying to join in and become part of the group. Also, they may only have a few minutes to access the web and searching for topics can be time consuming. Plus, reading old topics doesn't make you feel like you are part of the ongoing conversations.

Those that have been around for a long time don't need to answer the questions over and over...you can let the more recent but experienced people answer them...which allows them to share what they have learned from you. This forum is not just your forum with your "faithful readers." Maybe the experienced people can come up with "fresh" topics instead of chastising newbies for repeating topics. Heck, if we only discussed things that haven't been discussed before this place would likely not exist.

As far as greeting riders I meet. I do feel a kinship with anyone on a bike. But usually I just nod as a greeting. To be truthful though, I feel like I have more in common with someone dressed like me on a bike close to what I'm riding...it's like we have more of the same goals. Someone on a comfort bike doesn't likely share the same goals as someone on a $5000 bike in full kit. Well, they may have the same goals but they are probably a lot further apart along the timeline of achieving those goals. Anyhow, just be yourself and let others be who they are. It's all good.

[Veronica]

I guess I need a tongue in cheek icon.

Oh and thanks for implying that my time is not as valuable as that of new to the forum folks who can't be bothered with using a search.

V.

[Bikingmomof3]

V-
Send cookies my way. I seriously cannot make cookies that are edible. :o

[Veronica]

I put my recipe up somewhere. It really is easy if you follow the directions about mixing. An advanced search with my name and double chocolate chip cookies should bring it up.

Oh wait... maybe I should take the time to post it again. :D

V.

[Bikingmomof3]

Sigh, if I must search and then print and then make my own cookies. SIGH :p
Some concern for the brain damaged would be nice. ;)
FYI-I am only teasing V and all others. I need a sarcastic smilie. :D

[Veronica]

Sigh, if I must search and then print and then make my own cookies.

Yes life is rough I know.

Here you go. I'm not totally insensitive. And since you're a faithful reader. :D

Double Chocolate Chip Cookies
Cuisine Magazine – Issue #22

Makes 3 dozen cookies
Bake Time: 12 - 14 minutes

Whisk together; set aside

3 ¼ cups all purpose flour
1 t. baking soda
1 t. kosher salt

Cream “Wet” Ingredients with an electric mixer

1 cup sugar
1 cup dark brown sugar
2/3 cup unsalted butter, softened
2/3 cup vegetable shortening
2 eggs
2 t. real vanilla

Stir Flour Mixture into the creamed mixture with a spoon. Then stir in:

2 cups semisweet chocolate chips
½ cup milk chocolate chips

Form cookies and bake at 350 degrees.


I use only Guittard chips.

V.

[Bikingmomof3]

Awwww Shucks. :o Thanks V. :p

[Veronica]

Awwww Shucks. :o Thanks V. :p


Now just don't be a toadie, sucking up to the princess. ;)

Seriously, these are the best cookies I've ever had. I think the real trick is mixing in the dry stuff by hand. It keeps the flour from losing its gluten or getting gluten. I don't know what exactly... the actual recipe talks about why it's important to do it that way. And a quality chip really matters. If you wouldn't snack on it... don't cook with it.

I eat the Guittard milk chocolate ones by the handful sometimes.

V.

[maillotpois]

Today is one of those days.

V.

Yeah. Veteran's Day - no school!! Lucky you! I wanna cookie.

[Veronica]

Come on over. :D But I'm leaving now... of to do MT and pick the car at the shop.

V.

[GLC1968]

If you wouldn't snack on it... don't cook with it.




Are there chocolate chips not worth snacking on? I haven't found one yet!! :p

I'm baking these this weekend...they sound yummy!

[Veronica]

Are there chocolate chips not worth snacking on? I haven't found one yet!! :p

I'm baking these this weekend...they sound yummy!

I'm picky! That's why SK nicknamed me Princess. :p

V.

[SadieKate]

Don't forget the high maintenance part. Thom's halo is always very shiny. :rolleyes:

OK, V does spoil him also.

[DDH]

Copied and printed for future use. Thanks V.

Now to find the time to make them. This weekend I am hunting so may have to wait until Monday when everyone is out from under my feet. LOL

[Maureen Valley]

Gosh...I might have more confidence than brains....(don't even begin to talk to my friends...) but I don't give a flying fig whether or not someone waves at me on the trail. I NEVER fail to smile at the oncoming bicyclist....but don't think twice about it if I don't get a response. I DO get alot of smiles back, by the way.

We traveled for years in a big motor home. I belonged to an online newsgroup that dealt with this very issue. Some motor homers got all bent out of shape if another motor home driver didn't wave. Good Lord. Has anyone ever driven a wide body 38 foot diesel pusher down the road? I had all I could do to keep that baby between the white lines when I drove which was seldom. Taking one hand off the wheel wasn't even an option.

It's the same principle.....

My 2 cents....

Best to all...
Bike on!!!

Maureen
(hey...tomorrow is my first 'group ride' a benefit for a bike safety organization here in central Florida!!! Wish me luck riding in a pack!!!)

[Velobambina]

V - Thanks for the cookie recipe. Sound pretty easy to whip up, so I think I'll make some tomorrow afternoon to surprise my DH. I might put those Trader Joe mini peanut butter cups in them instead of chocolate chips though. ;-)

[Veronica]

Oh thanks for the idea. I want to make some cookies for Mark, the guy at Riv. who made my bike so pretty. :) He likes chocolate and peanut butter together.

I was going to use my peanut butter cookie recipe and add chocolate chips to it. But I like your idea better.

V.

[maillotpois]

There are "mini peanut butter cups"?

I wish I hadn't read that. :cool:

[Bikingmomof3]

I was going to use my peanut butter cookie recipe and add chocolate chips to it. But I like your idea better.

V.

You are holding out on us! :eek: You have a pb cookie recipe, do share. Please!

[Veronica]

I don't know. I don't have that one typed out already on my hard drive. I also have oatmeal raisin which I don't eat, but Thom loves.

My recipes come from Cuisine Magazine. I love it. It comes every two months and gets me to try some new things. They have sections on wares and techniques. It's great. This month's has a cake recipe I want to try, but cake is too big for two people and doesn't freeze. I freeze my cookies.

V.

[Bikingmomof3]

There are "mini peanut butter cups"?

I wish I hadn't read that. :cool:

Oh yes indeed. Do you have a Trader Joe's near you? If not PM me and I will gladly send you some. :)

[jobob]

We traveled for years in a big motor home.
Oh wow, that must have been fun! Sometimes LeeBob (DH) and I talk about getting one and taking off with our bikes strapped inside and explore the country. Wouldn't that be a great SAG vehicle ? OK, maybe a bit big for a SAG, but still. Bathroom and fridge, and couch, what more can one ask for in a SAG vehicle?


Has anyone ever driven a wide body 38 foot diesel pusher down the road?

Ah, therein lies the rub. Or one of many. I'd be terrified driving one of those !!!



(hey...tomorrow is my first 'group ride' a benefit for a bike safety organization here in central Florida!!! Wish me luck riding in a pack!!!)

Heh, once you get comfy riding in packs, you can learn the Fine Art of shooting Snot Rockets from our dear Princess Zippy.

Or better yet, do a search on it. :D

ducking and running, again !

[maillotpois]

Jobob - We rented a motor home to travel through France and watch the Tour one year. It was epic on so many levels. Not the least of which was emptying the toilet "tank" at French gas stations. Oh and driving the beast through tiny old streets. Camping on a tilt at Plateau de Beille so the fridge turns off and the pate and cheese got warm and stinky... I could go on and on.... We named it "Shamu".

BM03 - fortunately, I do have a TJ's (or two) nearby. Thanks, though.

[Bikingmomof3]

I also have oatmeal raisin

My all time favourite cookie. :)


cake is too big for two people and doesn't freeze.
V.

Cake can be frozen, as can frosting, but cake never lasts in my house.

[jobob]

Not the pate and cheese ! :eek: Oh, the humanity !

I assume the Bordeaux fared just fine though.


Ah, Happy Friday one and all. I wonder how Snap is doing in Vegas. Hope she has pictures.

[maillotpois]

Oh the humanity is right - we had to sleep with rotten pate smell for several days.... The PP didn't notice as she was busy getting crumbs into her bed (which she shared with one of our friends we picked up halfway through the trip who is, remarkably, still speaking to us after camping in a motor home for a week with us).

It was fun, but I don't think we'd do it again.

[Veronica]

My all time favourite cookie. :)



Cake can be frozen, as can frosting, but cake never lasts in my house.

Hmmm... really. I just assumed it would be yucky when I thawed it. But d'uh my wedding cake wasn't yucky. :rolleyes:

Maybe I'll make some cake.

I guess I'll go find those recipes and type them for you now. :)

V.

[emily_in_nc]

Methinks this thread needs to be renamed "Thread Drift"! :D


Also ducks and runs....


~Emily, who has never actually ventured into the scary "Thread Drift" thread herself, once she saw how many pages it was!

[Veronica]

You and Jobob do not look like ducks.

V.

[Bikingmomof3]

HA! With that funny thought in my head, I am going out for a run.

[Brandi]

I think sending them to the old topic lets them see the points of view that have already been discussed by the "squatters" here on TE. As someone who has been here forever it seems :D I actually worry that by posting my same feelings, experiences, views, etc. over and over and over again I am BORING to my faithful readers. As any of my coworkers will tell you, I generally have lots to say and can be counted on to say it. I just don't want to be that doddering old woman who repeats herself constantly, repeats herself...repeats...

V.
Ahhhhhh , but being a long time resident of this forum you have gained knowledge that us newbies don't have. So by rediscussing an issue helps us new people. I understand if the long timers get bored but that is the good thing about this forum, there are so many other topic's they can read about while us newbies re hash old one's.:o

[Brandi]

Now just don't be a toadie, sucking up to the princess. ;)

Seriously, these are the best cookies I've ever had. I think the real trick is mixing in the dry stuff by hand. It keeps the flour from losing its gluten or getting gluten. I don't know what exactly... the actual recipe talks about why it's important to do it that way. And a quality chip really matters. If you wouldn't snack on it... don't cook with it.

I eat the Guittard milk chocolate ones by the handful sometimes.

V.
Wow this thread has really gone off into another place. Cookies? How did that happen.lol!

[Velobambina]

I've actually eaten frozen cake. haha.

By the way, V's chocolate chip cookies are excellent. I used the mini peanut butter cups and they turned out delicious.

[light_sabe_r]

Frozen cake is delicious with HOT chocolate custard. :)

[Kano]

Looks like the other day something came back in this thread that resonates for me -- tired topics re-discussed. In my sewing life, I belong to some forums where threads are also hashed and rehashed. When real-life is a bit crazy for me, I tend to delete those threads (they come to my e-mail, rather than reading on line like this forum), but I find that I learn from the rehashing too -- sometimes someone asks the question in a way that makes me look at the subject in a new light, or someone brings up a variation I hadn't seen before (maybe cuz I'd been deleting the last time it was hashed).

Anyhow, yes, it's nice that we can have references to old versions of a "tired" thread, but in my experience, it seems there's always something good comes of a new discussion of an old topic! (not that I want to read about headphones on the bike again!)

Since I'm multitasking this morning, I'd best get back to my sewing room and put that row of squares together! I'll stop in the laundry room on the way, and start a load of towels...

Karen in Boise

[Brandi]

Looks like the other day something came back in this thread that resonates for me -- tired topics re-discussed. In my sewing life, I belong to some forums where threads are also hashed and rehashed. When real-life is a bit crazy for me, I tend to delete those threads (they come to my e-mail, rather than reading on line like this forum), but I find that I learn from the rehashing too -- sometimes someone asks the question in a way that makes me look at the subject in a new light, or someone brings up a variation I hadn't seen before (maybe cuz I'd been deleting the last time it was hashed)

Anyhow, yes, it's nice that we can have references to old versions of a "tired" thread, but in my experience, it seems there's always something good comes of a new discussion of an old topic! (not that I want to read about headphones on the bike again!)

Since I'm multitasking this morning, I'd best get back to my sewing room and put that row of squares together! I'll stop in the laundry room on the way, and start a load of towels...

Karen in Boise
I am with you, there is always someone smarter and wiser the ourselves who might show up here and clear it all up for us. (wishful thinking) But it would be nice!

[AllezGirl]

Ya' know, I have to thank Veronica and all the others who have posted yummy cookie recipes in the past...I haven't ever had to pay one red cent for bike maintenance, yet the mechanics at my LBS still love to see my face! (Er, at least...well...they really love to see the plate of warm, homemade cookies...)

As for the snob/waving thing...all I can say is that in general, I'm a really nice, friendly person. I'm active in my cycling club, volunteer whenever needed and love to "spread the joy" of cycling (even been known to loan a bike to a fellow TE gal when necessary ;) ) However, when I'm alone on the trail (note ALONE & on the TRAIL...not in a group, not on the road), it's all about me! ...so, if that puts me into the ranks of ipod wearing, non-waving, unfriendly, kit-wearing snobs, so be it. And to make matters worse, I don't announce "on your left" unless it's necessary, let alone "excuse me, stay right there while I pass you on your left...thank you very much, have a nice day"...besides, how can you not know I'm coming...didncha hear the sonic boom?:D

There, I said it, I'm not always nice...confession IS good for the soul...

All kidding aside...I can't help if you label me "rude" because of how I chose to ride on the trail. However, I can assure you that I'm not judging anyone.

[DDH]

Reading all this makes me remember that everything is not always about me. :eek:

I bet sometime, somewhere, I may have not waved at someone and they may have judged me. I try not to be one of those people that goes around judging everyone all the time, yet, sometimes, I catch myself doing it.

Thank you for reminding me to slap myself and not be judgemental of others.:D
I truly appreciate and need an ocasional reality check.