expensive racing bike?

[pooks]

I'm trying to illustrate the difference between the state-of-the-art racing bikes and the retro (ex: Rivendell). What bike might I use to illustrate the state-of-the-art?

[KnottedYet]

Serrota? Felt? Bianchi?


(I happen to think Waterford's steel racing bikes are state-of-the-art, but I assume you are looking for CF.)

[mimitabby]

Colnago? DeRosa?

[pooks]

Thanks -- that's what I needed. I just am looking for a picture of one that shows the difference in styling. I'll track those donw -- I oughta be able to find what I need!

[roguedog]

How's this??

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos.php?id=/photos/2006/news/may06/may12news/LanceGiro1-06

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

Pooks,
I myself would use "state-of-the-art CLASSIC" to describe Rivendells, not "retro". They are not antique reproductions, after all. They actually ARE "state-of-the-art" bikes themsleves, they feature common characterisitcs that have been constantly improved and in continual use by lots of folks for many decades, especially in Europe.
Bikes such as Rivendells are unaffected by the latest ever-changing racing bike style. They are made for riders who wish to ride under varied conditions of real life daily riding- gravel roads, loaded touring, commuting, long distance, AND fast road riding. You probably won't see one in the Tour de France though- a classic lugged steel complete bike usually weighs somewhere 23-26 pounds- a bit too heavy for actual competition racing. It will fare much better in a crash, though! ;)

(can you tell I love my Rivendell?)

[SadieKate]

De Rosa . . . can you tell I'm in lust?

http://www.albabici.com/derosa/07-frames/tango/tango-yellow.htm

[mimitabby]

Yeah, I saw that one on the italian website (Derosa.it)!
Speaking of..
a lady i know walked into recycled cycles and there was this DeRosa
sitting there, used and for sale. It had been just brought in.
It was just her size (she's 5'1" ) so she absolutely had to buy it. She let me touch it.

[pooks]

I lust after a Rivendell, too, Lisa!

That De Rosa, though -- ooh-la-la!

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

I lust after a Rivendell, too, Lisa!

That De Rosa, though -- ooh-la-la!

Yeah that Derosa is pretty wild and appealing! I love yellow with black. Now if only they had the handlebars about an inch lower than the saddle instead... :rolleyes:

[Veronica]

Pooks,
- a classic lugged steel complete bike usually weighs somewhere 23-26 pounds- a bit too heavy for actual competition racing. It will fare much better in a crash, though! ;)


My new Riv is going to come in around 20 pounds, with a Brooks saddle. :D I went in to talk components today. I was really taken with the threadless lugged stem, but went with the lighter Ritchie one. I have a lugged stem on my Rambouillet, it sure is pretty.


Speaking of heavy... riding up the mountain on Sunday, this guy passed me and said that he has a Rambouillet, but thinks it's too heavy to ride up Diablo. Funny, he didn't get too far ahead of me on his uberlightweight bike. :D


V.

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

My new Riv is going to come in around 20 pounds, with a Brooks saddle. :D I went in to talk components today. I was really taken with the threadless lugged stem, but went with the lighter Ritchie one. I have a lugged stem on my Rambouillet, it sure is pretty.


Speaking of heavy... riding up the mountain on Sunday, this guy passed me and said that he has a Rambouillet, but thinks it's too heavy to ride up Diablo. Funny, he didn't get too far ahead of me on his uberlightweight bike. :D


V.

Yeah well how much did he weigh with hiim and his bike combined? More than you and your Ramb probably. ;)
What kind of new Riv are you getting? A Hilson? Glorius? Bleriot? Saluki? Wilbury? Tell!
(sorry to get off subject, but promise not to linger long!)

[Veronica]

Actually he wasn't that heavy - fairly typical rider for around here.

The new bike is a Legolas, their cross frame. It has the same geometry as my Rambouillet, but is about 5 pounds lighter.

V.

[7rider]

I'm trying to illustrate the difference between the state-of-the-art racing bikes and the retro (ex: Rivendell). What bike might I use to illustrate the state-of-the-art?

I'd say this is pretty "state-of-the-art"!
http://www.sevencycles.com/road_detail.php?bike=diamas

[pooks]

Interesting!

What makes it best for club rides but not centuries or touring? Not comfortable enough for long hauls?

[7rider]

I probably say ultra-stiff.
Quick off the dime, and fast, fast, fast. But it'll probably beat the stuffing out of you over the long haul.

[Eden]

Wow, I find it to be rather amusing that the most fantastic looking bike that seems to be on the Seven web site is recommended for club rides and the very ordinary looking one is recommended for racing.....:p

Interestingly enough the pictured bike looks very much like a TT bike without the aerobars.

[7rider]

Yeah, I also found it curious that the Triad, which has the exact same "suggested use" profile as the Diamas and the V-II says this about the Triad: "...with enough personality and discipline for road racing, but comfort enough for your next century."
...Such is the nature of custom work, I guess. You can really dial it in for whatever you want it to do.

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

...says this about the Triad: "...with enough personality and discipline for road racing, but comfort enough for your next century."

Sounds like a JCrew catalog. What's next?... "A bike with a fruity chewy bouquet and just a touch of nutty arrogance" ?
Oh brother.

[Trekhawk]

De Rosa . . . can you tell I'm in lust?

http://www.albabici.com/derosa/07-frames/tango/tango-yellow.htm

Stop it SK - I already have such a huge list of bikes to buy when I win Lotto.:D

[RoadRaven]

Oh... de Rosa...

Oh... I fell in love last year - I even hijacked a thread with pix...

Despite numerous hints, I still have no de Rosa...

:(

However! Partner is a big fan of EmC bikes, and their 2007 models have women specific, and the model partner keeps showing me is pretty in blue and has gorgeous race wheels and just looks loverly!

He thinks I have been racing well enough that I should have a road race bike, and turn my Giant TCR Aero into a TT specific bike with bar end shifters and all...

Oh, the EmC makes classy race bikes... top of the line... check them out as an example.

But for sheer beauty, though greatly over-priced, the de Rosa has my heart.

[Trekhawk]

But for sheer beauty, though greatly over-priced, the de Rosa has my heart.

When I win Lotto RoadRaven I will send one your way. See I like to share the joy.....hmm now all we need are those pesky winning numbers.:D :D

[SouthernBelle]

Well, if you win the lottery, you can justify by having bikes for both summer and winter homes. You will want to live where the weather is ride-worthy in the winter.

[SadieKate]

My dream house will have a large garage just for a stable of bikes. The de Rosa would help round out my gamut from vintage lugged steel to modern swoopy and wild. Some people have garages for their car collection, I just need one for bikes.

Bill and I were thinking the other day that if we had an extra room, we'd give some poor college student/mechanic type free rent if he'd do all of our bike maintenance.

[RoadRaven]

Oh Trek... thank you... and if do the same (win Lotto or come into large ammounts of money), I shall buy you the bike that haunts your dreams too... and tickets to one of Mel's concerts!

[7rider]

Sounds like a JCrew catalog. What's next?... "A bike with a fruity chewy bouquet and just a touch of nutty arrogance" ?
Oh brother.

Meee-Yow, Lisa.
When they're building $7,000+ bikes, I think they can use a little "lifestyle hyperbole" in their marketing.
It's no different then your Rivendell calling themselves: "..delightfully charming in an old-fashioned way.."
Gee, sounds like an L.L. Bean catalog!

[Veronica]

It's no different then your Rivendell calling themselves: "..delightfully charming in an old-fashioned way.."
Gee, sounds like an L.L. Bean catalog!

Hey don't go there! :D

I shop both, makes me sound like a fuddy duddy. :p

V.

[SadieKate]

Better to be a delightfully charming fuddy duddy than a crusty old fuddy duddy. Or would that be a fully lugged fuddy duddy?

[Trekhawk]

Hey don't go there! :D

I shop both, makes me sound like a fuddy duddy. :p

V.

LOL - but a very talented fuddy duddy.:D

I confess I love LL Bean too.

[7rider]

Hey don't go there! :D

I shop both, makes me sound like a fuddy duddy. :p

V.

Shhhhh....
so do I! :p

[Trekhawk]

fully lugged fuddy duddy?

LOVE IT.:D :D

[SadieKate]

Hey, V, if it makes you feel better some young folks in the hospital hallway stopped my dad the other day and told him how much they liked his LLBean slippers.

[CyclChyk]

State of the art racing bike - Cervelo R3 - a WOOPING 13 lbs carbon fibre and DuraAce loaded!!

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

Yeah, I also found it curious that the Triad, which has the exact same "suggested use" profile as the Diamas and the V-II says this about the Triad: "...with enough personality and discipline for road racing, but comfort enough for your next century."
.....Meee-Yow, Lisa.
When they're building $7,000+ bikes, I think they can use a little "lifestyle hyperbole" in their marketing.
It's no different then your Rivendell calling themselves: "..delightfully charming in an old-fashioned way.."
Gee, sounds like an L.L. Bean catalog!

But I can comprehend "..delightfully charming in an old-fashioned way.."- pretty straightforward meaning (and I'm curious-where exactly does Rivendell say that about their bikes, anyway?)
On the other hand, what exactly does it mean for a bike to have "enough personality and discipline for road racing"- ? :confused:

Lisa
Lugging my muddy milk duds around the old-fashioned way...

[kiwi girl]

Hey RoadRaven

Since you are talking about Blue I assume its the 2007 Fem Etape Pro you are looking at? That is a nice looking bike

If you look closely at my avator you'll see that I have a 2006 EMC2 Fem Equip 5 and love it - one issue for me is that I am shortish (5'1") and have small hands and it was such a revlelation to find a bike that fits

the Fem Etape Team sure looks nice too but one look at the word Ultegra is enough to let me know that, realistically, it should be relegated to the realms of lotto fantasy for me so I think I need to avoid walking into the arms of temptation (ie into Scotty Brown's the EMC2 stockist here in Christchurch)

[roguedog]

State of the art racing bike - Cervelo R3 - a WOOPING 13 lbs carbon fibre and DuraAce loaded!!

Oh.. now that's a sweet bike, cyclchk. niiicee.

[RoadRaven]

Since you are talking about Blue I assume its the 2007 Fem Etape Pro you are looking at? That is a nice looking bike

the Fem Etape Team sure looks nice too but one look at the word Ultegra is enough to let me know that, realistically, it should be relegated to the realms of lotto fantasy for me so I think I need to avoid walking into the arms of temptation (ie into Scotty Brown's the EMC2 stockist here in Christchurch)

Mmm-hmmm... purty, isn't she Kiwi?

http://www.emc2bikes.com/index.php/ps_pagename/bikedetail/bikemodel/18

Partner is just waiting for Rob at the Hub here in Hastings to get the latest models in, and then I'll be taken to at least sit on one... seriously don't know if it'll run to our budget though - we have just spent money on a van and a trailer.

So you're in Chch... you gonna go watch the Nationals in Palmerston? If you do, and you see a van attached to a bright yellow covered trailor, come on over and say hi - my partner and two oldest boys are riding the TTs, and partner maybe the RR.

Raven

[Bikingmomof3]

Hey, V, if it makes you feel better some young folks in the hospital hallway stopped my dad the other day and told him how much they liked his LLBean slippers.


I have LL Bean slippers and they are the best and warmest I have ever owned. :D

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

Hey here is a 1949 Bianchi that is "delightfully charming in an old fashioned way", don't you think?:
http://www.vintagevelos.com/bianchi49F.html

Seriously though, it's a real beauty of a bike, isn't it?

[7rider]

Ti is fly, but steel is real.
Nice bike, Lisa, love the lugs.